brewing extract batch with softened H20?

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  1. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    my father-in-law wants to get into homebrewing and I brought my equipment over to his house. I haven't brewed since '06 but I made over a dozen successful extract+specialty grain batches before. We are gearing up to do an extract w/specialty grains hoppy pale ale soon (5 gallon batch using a full boil) and I realized that they have a water softener. From what I recall, it is not ideal to brew with softened H20. I'm debating lugging over a bunch of tap water from my place or buying some distiller or bottles water instead.

    Thoughts?

    Also, I do not currently have a wort chiller. Years back I recall reading on some homebrew forums that people were placing the top on their fermenters and allowing the wort to cool naturally overnight before pitching yeast the following morning. This practice always scared me and did not seem ideal at all but I was wondering if anyone has done something similar with success.
     
  2. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Brewing extract with soft water is perfectly fine. Some people actually reccomemd brewing extract batches with distilled water because all the essential brewing minerals are already in the extract from when the manufacturer mashed and produced the extract.

    As far as chilling over night I wouldn't. Chilling as fast as possible will really help you lock in some extra hop flavor and aroma where as letting it naturally cool is gonna drive off most the hop flavor/aroma and leave you with a more bitter beer than you had expected.
     
  3. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    You can use distiller or Reverse Osmosis water for extract brewing. Softened water can be high in Sodium, and the ion exchange removes the Calcium and Magnesium which are very beneficial for all grain brewing but does not concern you. If you use your tap water make sure it does not have chlorine or chloramine, if it does one Campden tablet will treat 20 gallons of water.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Soft water can be good for extract brewing. Depends on how the water was softened. If it ends up full of sodium through ion exchange, I wouldn't brew with it. Distilled water is fine (and arguably best) for extract brewing.

    I wouldn't do this. If I didn't have a chiller, I'd at least use an ice water bath. Slow, but it will get you there eventually.
     
  5. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    I'll have to look into how his water is softened

    We live in New York so a nice bath for chilling should be no issue haha
     
  6. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York


    I know a few breweries around here use our normal tap water untreated for their brewing.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Does that tap water contain chlorine/chloramines?
     
  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    They could be using GAC filters on the tap water, or just have it at strike temp during the night in the HLT will drive off chlorine, but not chloramine. Chlorine free water is a must if you wish to brew defect free beer.
     
  9. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Not sure about artificially softened water, though I suspect it's been discussed before.

    It's common practice to bypass the water softener for the outside hose bibs. You didn't say where your father in law lives, but, assuming he has a suitable municipal water supply that's good for drinking (the Great Lakes, for example), you could simply get the water from the garden hose, treating for Chlorine, as necessary (assuming that water is, indeed, un-softened). A sediment/charcoal filter wouldn't hurt. If the untreated water isn't so great, as long as you're using extract, you could simply buy distilled water at the supermarket.
     
  10. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York


    Good call on the outside hose bibs I bet they do bypass the water softener I'll investigate. Thanks guys. I'm also going to look into the chlorine content of the tap water ( our water comes from skaneatles lake and is pretty damn good untreated i think for brewing, at least from past experience)
     
  11. beer272

    beer272 Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2009 New Jersey

    It is a bad no no to brew with water for an installed water softener. It might be good to see what the H2O is before the softener. A safer bet, just head to a grocery store and pick up H2O that you will need.

    For cooling I just use a sink for ~3.5 G. So it sounds like you are dragging along propane for the full batch size?
     
  12. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    Yes I am going to do a full boil outside using a propane burner to yield approximately 5 gallons, which will end to be cooled.
     
  13. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    For extract brewing the zeroth-order thing to do is ask yourself, does the water taste good? If it has no off flavors, then (IMHO) the next thing to deal with is removing chlorine/chloramines, which most easily done with a Campden tablet (1 tablet/20 gallons). For this first batch, I personally wouldn't worry about water beyond these two things. If the taste is off, then go with bottled spring or distilled water. For an extract hoppy pale ale, the water isn't likely to have that much of an impact (again, IMHO).
     
  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    My water softener has a bypass valve installed on the plumbing just before it goes into the softener, and so did my old one. It was installed by the service company at the same time as the softener, and I suspect all softeners have this, presumably for when a repair technician needs to work on the unit. I turn the valve and let my faucet run a minute to purge the softened water from the line (longer if you are drawing water from a distant faucet) and then get all of the natural water I need to brewing before turning the bypass valve to its normal position.

    Also, you're in NY so is setting the brew kettle or fermenter outside an option to take advantage of the cold air?
     
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  15. makisupapolice14

    makisupapolice14 Pundit (799) Jun 5, 2005 New York

    Thanks for the advice. Yes, we will be brewing outside anyway so setting the kettle or fermenter outside will definitely be an option
     
  16. beer272

    beer272 Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2009 New Jersey

    There is a general rule of thumb that ~5G of wort to boil one needs to go to another heat source usually outside to vent the gases produced by propane.

    On of the reasons for not using soften water is the water may be high in sodium as I recall.
     
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