Brewing FIrst All-Grain, Amber Ale

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  1. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    OK guys. I'm graduating from extract to all-grain. I believe I will have a graduation party, just not today...it's my 5th anniversary! I'll be brewing beginning of next week so I have plenty of time for your expert thoughts.

    So far the recipe I put together in BS2 is:
    8lb Pale 2 Row
    1;b Crystal 40L
    1lb Crystal 80L
    1/2oz Centennial @ 60min
    1/2oz Centennial @ 15min
    1/2oz Cascade @ 15min
    1/2oz Cascade @ 5min

    This shows an OG of 1.052, 36.9 IBUs, Color 15 SRM, ABV 4.9, Bitterness Ratio .708

    I plan on a single batch sparge.

    Any thoughts? Is this grain bill a little too plain?
     
  2. Applecrew135

    Applecrew135 Crusader (431) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Question: What is your assumed efficiency? My first all-grain turned into a malt-bomb because I grossly underestimated it, and the malt simply overwhelmed my hop additions. I would make sure you get a pre-boil gravity sample and have a plan B in place so you could alter your hop additions if it turns out too low or too high in gravity. Also, what temp are you going to mash at? With 20% of your bill using crystal, I'd try to make your mash as fermentable as possible. That much crystal is going to add a lot of body.
     
  3. clearbrew

    clearbrew Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2009 Louisiana

    Recipe looks good. I would probably swap the crystal 80 for crystal 120 and see what SRM you get. 15 SRM may be a bit light to be a solid amber, but this would be very debatable.
    Grain bill is not to plain. In my experience, the simpler recipes are often the best beers.
     
  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Agree, but it is an Amber Ale...I'd go with 3/4# each crystal and adjust as necessary on next Amber Ale.
     
  5. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    With a naked eye it seems like 20% of crystals it´s a bit high.We need more information : Mash temp,fermentation temp,yeast. What do you spect this beer to taste like?
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “With a naked eye it seems like 20% of crystals it´s a bit high.” Check it out! Esteban is now a member of the crystal malt police!?!:wink:

    I think the recipe as is looks OK.

    Below, for your consideration is the steeping grains that Jamil Zainasheff lists for his Amber Ale recipe in his book Brewing Classic Style:

    · 0.75 lbs. Crystal (40L)

    · 0.5 lbs. Crystal (120L)

    · 0.5 lbs. Victory (28L)

    Good luck with your Amber Ale.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I am leaning towards drop the crystal down to 0.75 each, up the hops. I suspect that you could add more hops whether you over shoot, under shoot, or nail your OG. If you use so few hops*, you're likely to wind up with a malt bomb.

    I'm getting around 1.052 with 11 lbs grains. Joe Schmoe may be getting 1.052 with 9 lbs grains. You are estimating 1.052 with ten pounds of grains. Remember, this is an estimate for you at this time. At first, I was under-shooting my numbers (till I dialed in). You will need to dial in your system based on your results from your first few batches. You may get better efficiency than I am getting, maybe worse, so don't go off my numbers (they were only for illustration). For beersmith 2, here is some info on dialing in your system that will help you a lot.

    *Although it's quite rare that I ever brew anything with less than three ounces hops these days (only my wheat beer and petite saison, which use 2.5oz), so take this for what it's worth. But still add moar hops anyway. :rolling_eyes:
     
  8. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    They're everywhere. And they're watching. You. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  9. Boonedog

    Boonedog Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Illinois

    Make sure you have some DME on hand if your pre-boil gravity come out low like my first AG did.
     
  10. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I didn't, lol. And thus I under-shot my gravity by ten points. :rolling_eyes:

    Luckily it was a beer that this didn't make much of a difference on.
     
  11. Genuine

    Genuine Maven (1,347) May 7, 2009 Connecticut

    The recipe looks good, I just kegged NB's all grain Amber Ale kit. Ended up being 5.3% ABV and after cold crashing, crystal clear. Tasted awesome too! Can't wait to see how it is with some carbonation in it!
     
  12. Boonedog

    Boonedog Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Illinois

    In my case adding the Light DME was essential and even though my beer ended up a partial mash it was and still is a fantastic beer. Never be afraid to add VERY LIGHT DME to a recipe.
     
  13. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    Would you all think a light blonde is a better option for "dialing in"?

    Also, when doing a pre boil gravity reading, what should that look like if the desired OG is 1.052?
     
  14. TheMonkfish

    TheMonkfish Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Chad

    I look for about ten points below my intended FG, but others may differ.

    Have fun and take lots of notes on the brewday.
     
  15. Boonedog

    Boonedog Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2013 Illinois

    That number should show in Beersmith.
     
  16. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    I think an amber is actually more forgiving, blonde ales actually take a bit more practice to dial in me thinks.

    post boil volume x gravity points / pre boil volume ... so if you plan to start with 6.5 gallons then 5 gallons x 52 = 260/6.5 = 40...so your pre boil should be about 1.040
    You can change this around once you pull and measure your pre boil gravity as well. Just multiply by volume and divide by desired volume.

    I am terrible at writing equation, so hopefully this isn't too confusing
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I also would suggest an Amber Ale vs. a Blonde Ale. A Blonde Ale can be a delicate beer and therefore less forgiving.

    Cheers!
     
  18. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey



    THANKS for the link to BS2. I just put in the numbers for my kettle. I'll do the 5 batches like suggested too. Now, The boil volume is showing 10.11 gal. Does this mean that I should start with 10.11 gal from mashing? Damn! This means my 42qt SS kettle is possibly small? This is with 90 minute boil and a boil off of 2.06 gal/hr which is 3.09 gal over the course of the 90 minutes. If I changed it to a 60 minute boil it would be a boil volume of just 8.4 gal. I used the "loss to trub and chiller" of the suggested 1.25 gal. With my extract brewing I don't think I'm near 1.25gal loss but I'll go with it. The BrewHouse efficiency calculation came to 61.11. That's a mash efficiency estimate of 75% due to batch sparging like suggested.


    Using this equipment profile with the suggested estimates, I'm showing the following numbers with the following recipe.

    OG: 1.056
    IBU: 33.1
    Color: 15.1 SRM
    ABV: 5.5
    Bitterness Ratio .586%
    Est PreBoil Gravity: 1.045 (I guess I take that just before boiling)
    FG: 1.014

    RECIPE:

    1# Crystal 40L
    1# Crystal 120L
    1# Vienna
    11# Pale 2 Row
    .5 oz Centennial @ 60min
    .5 oz Centennial @ 15min
    1 oz Cascade @ 15min
    1 oz Cascade @ 5min
    Yeast: WLP001 California Ale


    Does this sound right/better?
     
  19. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    Hmm. While I'm certain it will turn out tasty, my own tendency would be to either use a more flavorful base, or supplement that 2-row with something slightly toasty. Not a lot. a lb or two of Munich or a half lb of Biscuit/Victory/other toasted malt. Maybe even a little of both.

    but again, what the OP has will make a fine beer, I'm sure of it. There is a lot to be said for simple recipes, and I think it is especially true for newer brewers/all-grain graduates.

    good luck!
    --Michael
     
  20. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    For fun I put in:
    1# Crystal 40
    1# Crystal 60
    1# Munich
    1# Vienna
    2# Biscuit
    8# 2 Row

    Keeping the hops and yeast the same I got the BS2 arrows pretty much centered in the green. The sounds of the malts including biscuit, Vienna and munich sound tasty. 3 oz of hops seems like it would balance it out pretty nicely too.
     
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