Brewing my First Porter - Need Help!

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  1. ke-oz

    ke-oz Initiate (0) May 27, 2015 Australia

    Hi guys,

    This is what i have ready to brew

    1.7 kg of Black Rock Dark Malt Extract
    1.7 kg of Black Rock Light Malt Extract
    500g of powedered Malt Extract - Light Malt Brew Improver
    500g Chocolate Malt Grains (for steeping)
    500g Crystal Dark Malt Grains (for steeping)
    25g Goldings
    25g Fuggles
    Ale yeast

    I will be making 19litres (~5 gal)

    I aim to make a Chocolate/caramel beer. (maybe with a hint of coffee, 4/5 beans for the next batch depending on how this one turns out, or should i put some in now?)

    My questions:
    1. Should I boil the Malt Extract with the hops or just add them from the can/bag into the fermenter?

    2. Hoppping:
    2.1 . I was planning on using 12.5g of Goldings and 12.5 of fuggles at 30mins and the same at 2 mins
    2.2 but, from my understanding I should boil the bittering hops for 60 mins - not sure when to put the rest.

    Whats the difference between the two in terms of flavour and bitterness?
    Any suggestions for hopping?

    3. I only have a 10l pot for the boil, is it ok to do the boil with 10l (or less) of water and top the fermenter with filtered water?

    Thanks
     
  2. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    1. Boil the malt extract. Boiling promotes hot break and, upon cooling, cold break, i.e., protein precipitation. Most homebrewers try to avoid transferring this material to the fermenter.

    2. This is not a lot of hops for the strength of the beer. The beer will come out to about 1.075 og by my estimate. I would add all of these hops as a bittering addition to get you to about 30 ibus to help balance the sweetness of all the malt. They typically have the same bittering potential. IMO, fuggles is more earthy, goldings is more citrus and floral, but both are pretty mild compared to many modern hop varieties that are in vogue.

    3. This is acceptable, although some feel that it makes an inferior beer than boiling the whole thing. I'm not sure exactly why or whether it is universally true, but it was my experience back when I had a smaller kettle. Of course, I was a newbie then, and probably made half a dozen other big mistakes that impacted my beer, so my experience may not be the best to judge the technique.

    4. Unsolicited comment on the recipe. I do not know the extracts that you are using but I see one of them is a dark extract. One potential problem with using dark extract is you may not know the combination of roasted malt, crystal malt, and low-roast color malt (e.g., dehusked malt) used to develop color in the extract. This uncertain may be problematic when you add your chocolate and crystal malts. Your beer could end up too roasty, too sweet, or perhaps just a jumble of muddled flavor. I'm not suggesting you do not brew this recipe, but just be aware that you may want to tweak some of these elements should you decide to brew something like this again. Extract brewers who make their own recipes tend to avoid the dark extracts so that they can better control the flavor of the beer via specialty grains.
     
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  3. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I'll add a further comment for question #3. From the questions that you ask, it sounds like you are a newcomer to this hobby, so an important word of warning. When boiling with a relatively small pot, don't fill it too full. Boil-overs are easy to experience once you get a rolling boil going and add hops. Leave some room in the pot to catch the boil-over and stand by with your spoon to try to stop it by stirring. Shut off the fuel too if the stirring is not going to control the boil-over.

    If you are a noobie to this hobby, take time to read howtobrew.com online, or purchase the newer edition so you can take notes, mark it up, etc. That book is excellent to learn just about all that you need to know about homebrewing.
     
  4. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    Do everything pweis909 says. His #4 is very good advice. I'm not sure where you are but if you can get some brown malt I'd add 200g or less of that too. And make sure your carbon filter your top off water to remove any chlorine. KMeta would be a good addition as well if there are chloramines in your water.
     
  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    there are a thousand things to think about and it can get overwhelming if you aren't careful. so for now it looks good.

    except for the combination of dark extract with your grains, as mentioned by others.
    roasted malt can become a big problem quickly. it only takes a little to make a pronounced flavor. I might consider eliminating the dark extract and doubling the light extract. i will admit to be 100% American and therefore have little to zero ability to conceptualize in metrics.

    your beer will improve dramatically if you move to "full wort" boils. that is to say, all things being equal, boiling the full volume is the single easiest way to improve your beer with virtually no changes to your technique. better hop utilization, better break, less color change, less homebrew twang (look it up). honest. if you can get a big pot and a big burner go with that. otherwise it isn't a sin.

    Cheers.
     
  6. ke-oz

    ke-oz Initiate (0) May 27, 2015 Australia

    I shall be using Filtered water from the supermarket so this is well sorted
     
  7. ke-oz

    ke-oz Initiate (0) May 27, 2015 Australia

    Thanks pweis909, I am thinking of upping my bittering hop dosage to around 19g each and leave the rest for 5 minutes.

    I was not too aware of this when it came to dark malt extracts. Fingers crossed the beer is actually drinkable :S
     
  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    You'll make beer. It could be great. I made my first recipe with a dark extract, one lb of crystal 60, and one lb of chocolate malt. I found it to be sweeter than I wanted and roaster than I wanted,but drinkable enough. Dark extracts aren't inherently bad, but easily misunderstood. And no one really bothers to learn them through trial and error because it is easier to use pale extracts plus specialty grains.
     
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