Brewing with adjuncts

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  1. nolabrew

    nolabrew Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Louisiana

    I'm looking to brew a stout that's at least 50% adjuncts. I've never brewed with flaked corn or rice before and I don't really know too much about it. I need to know what kind of temperatures I should mash and sparge at and I need to figure out my grain bill. Any advice would be very helpful. Thanks.
     
  2. nolabrew

    nolabrew Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Louisiana

    Also, I'm looking for an OG around 1.060 to 65.
     
  3. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

  4. nolabrew

    nolabrew Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Louisiana

  5. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    Invest in some rice hulls. It is a cheap way to prevent a stuck runoff.
     
  6. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    at 50% adjunct would that just be an ale version of a dark american lager? Definitely rice hulls to prevent any stuck run-offs.
     
  7. nolabrew

    nolabrew Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Louisiana

    I'm trying to make a beer that's 50% cheap adjuncts, but doesn't taste like it. I figured that a roasty stout would be the best way to hide the graininess that I get from olde english and other fine malt beverages.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “I'm trying to make a beer that's 50% cheap adjuncts, but doesn't taste like it.” At the risk of sounding like a wise guy, my advice would be not to brew with 50% adjuncts if you desire for the beer to not taste like it has a lot of adjuncts.

    To your specific questions:

    “I need to know what kind of temperatures I should mash and sparge at..” You should mash and sparge at regular temperatures; mash anywhere between 150-158 degrees F depending on how fermentable you want your wort to be. A fermentable wort will result from mashing in the lower end of the range and a less fermentable wort at the higher end of the range.

    “I need to figure out my grain bill”. You need base malts which have high diastatic power since the flaked corn/rice does not have any diastatic power. An example of a base malt which has high diastatic power is North American 6-row malt.

    “Any advice would be very helpful.” Adding some rice hulls could help your sparge go smoothly.

    Cheers!
     
  9. nolabrew

    nolabrew Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Louisiana


    Thanks! I'm definitely going to include a good amount of 6 row, which I have never used before.
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    For a stout I would be more inclined to use adjuncts like flaked oats, flaked barley, flaked wheat, and maybe a little sugar.

    BTW, it doesn't get any cheaper than flaked oats or wheat from what I've seen at the grocery store (unless you like lautering polenta :slight_smile:).
     
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  11. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    I did a 2% ABV beer that was rye, wheat and Vienna in equal parts. It was OK, though the rye and wheat didn't provide the body I was hoping for . . .
     
  12. nolabrew

    nolabrew Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Louisiana

    I'm trying to brew with corn and rice in particular because I want to see if I can make a decent beer with them. I will most likely have some oats in the grain bill.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Since flaked grains (corn, rice, oats, wheat) have zero diastatic power it might be a good idea to keep your total of all the flaked grains to be 50% or less of the overall grain bill. You want to make sure that your mash totally converts.

    Cheers!
     
  14. skiofpinsk

    skiofpinsk Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Sounds like an interesting experiment; looking forward to reading about the results.

    I have only used small amounts of flaked grains in my beers, but I wonder if there's a difference in water absorption rates when compared to regular barley malts? Just a thought.
     
  15. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I've brewed with flaked corn and flaked rice. Once with each. With the corn it lends a great flavor to a cream ale or Kolsch. With flaked rice, just think Budewiser--in a good way, I guess. :slight_smile:
     
  16. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    It's not the corn or rice that's a problem...it's the % you are suggesting...some very good beers are made with adjuncts, but not in those amounts...good luck...worth a try (for someone other than myself :slight_smile:)
     
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  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I tried to 'plant a seed' with my post of:
    “I'm trying to make a beer that's 50% cheap adjuncts, but doesn't taste like it.” At the risk of sounding like a wise guy, my advice would be not to brew with 50% adjuncts if you desire for the beer to not taste like it has a lot of adjuncts.

    It seems to me that the OP is hell bent on brewing with a shit load of adjuncts which is a mystery to me.

    Cheers!
     
  18. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I love it when Jack cusses.
     
  19. nolabrew

    nolabrew Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Louisiana

    I was picking up what you were laying down, but I am hell bent on making something decent with 50% cheap adjuncts just to see if I can do it. I do stuff like this all the time; I just have a weird idea and don't stop thinking about it until I try it.
     
  20. nolabrew

    nolabrew Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2010 Louisiana

    Corn in a kolsch? I've never heard of that but I am very interested in trying it next time I make a kolsch. What percentage do you use?
     
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