Brut IPA

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  1. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    1056, WLP001, and US-05 are all genetically different. However, 1056 and WLP001 are extremely closely related, like sisters. US-05 meanwhile is off on its own little branch, according to the one chart that I believe, anyway:

    http://beer.suregork.com/?p=4000
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    My palate says it's close enough :flushed:
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I took note from the chart that @dmtaylor linked above that it lists WY1056/WLP019/WLP051 together (i.e., they are the same strain).

    I reviewed the White Labs website to find:

    “WLP019 California IV Ale Yeast

    Specialty strain from The Vault

    Ale

    Moderately clean strain with a low ester profile and less sulfur production than WLP051.”

    And:

    “WLP051 California V Ale Yeast

    Ale

    This strain has more similarities to an English strain than WLP001 California Ale Yeast®. It is a big ester producer, showcasing notes of cherry...”

    It sure appears that White Labs does not think that WLP019 and WLP051 are the same strains.

    Cheers!
     
  4. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    That was NOT the intent. They are absolutely NOT the same strain. Suregork just didn't know which one fit those slots so he listed all three in each as the potential options for that slot.

    Personally I think the one listed 1st in each of those listings is the correct one (so for the example above, WY1056 is the correct one, *probably*, in my opinion).

    Cheers indeed.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thank you for that clarification.

    Cheers!
     
  6. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Just found some more info on Brut beers, courtesy of Drake's:
    https://drinkdrakes.com/how-we-brew-brightside-extra-brut-ipa/

    What I found interesting/puzzling was a statement in the "Brew your own" section that seemed to suggest it was the sugar in the hops that caused a gravity increase. "The sugars in the hops tend to push the gravity up .2-.3 Plato." ????
     
  7. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Not sugar. Enzymes. There might be some trace sugar but certainly not THAT much.
     
  8. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Note though that it said, "increase"...not decrease in gravity. :confused:
     
  9. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    If the yeast is tired or dead, then hypothetically the hops could convert some complex dextrins to simpler ones AND they won't ferment out, thus increasing gravity. That's where I was going. But you're right -- certainly if there's any good viable yeast present, it would tend to head in the opposite direction.
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    fwiw, newest iteration of a Brut was quite a bit different than the first attempt with Glucoamylase...this time after mash @ 135*F with 15 minute stand. This was a rye beer that lautered fairly slow which was ideal for the Gamma Amylase addition. Will update when FG happens.
     
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  11. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Update as promised...the only "Brut" that finished @ 1.000 was the one where the gamma-A was added to the fermenter. The other 3 mash gamma-A additions finished slightly lower than anticipated, but nowhere near 1.000...maybe due to the extreme thickness of the mash at a 120*F step for ~ 1/2 hour.

    On another note, I have sampled more commercially brewed BRUT IPAs/exo enzyme beers since my last post. I think we might be seeing more "low carb" beers that make use of Gamma-A that aren't really "Brut IPAs"...NB's Glutony (low Gluten) being one such example. Cheers all
     
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