Build "refrigerated" walk-in beer cellar cheap

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by Jjski, May 26, 2015.

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  1. Jjski

    Jjski Zealot (632) Nov 2, 2013 New York
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    Requirements: central AC, a basement below ground, wood, nails, common building know-how

    We finished our basement and had a closet installed. I noticed that the heat / AC Duct ran right above closet. Since I live in the Northeast: I insulated the inner walls but left the outside foundation wall uninsulated and bare. Ground temp is always @55, if you live in Arizona: insulate the outside wall. Weather strip and insulated the door ( I taped on aluminized bubble wrap type)

    I put a well sealing vent in the AC DUCT: in winter when ground is cold . Close the vent ( the heat is on).

    In summer, open the vent when AC is on. You now have an actively cooled, insulated closet that remains @ 50 degrees all year. You could do the same by building or getting a large cabinet , and running a medium diameter duct off your AC into the cabinet. My AC puts air @ 45F and is able to cool a 6x10ft closet to 50 when it's 85 outside-and 70 in the basement. The hotter it is , the more the AC runs, the better. My only problem month is September when the ground is warm , but the AC isn't needed

    To solve this problem I ran a dryer sized vent hose to a dryer type vent outside : on cold evenings, I open the vent and let the cold night air into the closet: free cooling. It really does maintain a temp range 55-50F with very slow gradual changes seasonally
     
  2. Jjski

    Jjski Zealot (632) Nov 2, 2013 New York
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    I forgot one IMPORTANT factor. The insulated closet needs to be on the North side of the foundation.

    After 3 seasons it goes like this: November through May, the cool concrete ground foundation wall and floor maintains the temp ( vent closed) . June- August the Air Condition vent is open , blowing cold air. September, October- the outside air vent is open daylight highs 60's but nights at 45 equal it out.

    Regarding the fall months : I have checked air flow using a candle flame. Warm air always rises, so when the outside vent is open : air only travels down the pipe into the cellar when it is cooler than the cellar. In the daytime, the warm air above your head in the closet escapes via the vent while the cooler air sinks into the closet.

    The more bottles, the steadier the temp because it takes a lot of energy to change the temp of 300 bottles x 750 ml of beer.

    Lowest ABV beers on bottom shelf ( floor) , > 12% on second shelf up, old ales & higher than 14% ABV (120, Samael's , BCBS ) on highest shelf. I drink all the beer at cellar temp except sours, which I chill
     
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  3. Ultrarunner100

    Ultrarunner100 Zealot (653) Oct 13, 2014 Canada (ON)

    Sound awesome, pictures?
     
  4. Jjski

    Jjski Zealot (632) Nov 2, 2013 New York
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    I wish I knew how to post pictures. If anyone can lead me to a link , I will figure it out
     
  5. Ultrarunner100

    Ultrarunner100 Zealot (653) Oct 13, 2014 Canada (ON)

    Someone chime in. I only use the mobile app, and I don't think you can upload through the app.
     
  6. 2Xmd

    2Xmd Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2013 New York

    How do I post an image in the forum?
    We're not the image hosting business, so you'll need to use a service to store your images.
    • Sign up for a service like Dropbox, Flickr, Photobucket, etc. Many social media sites will work too. The most important factor here is selecting a service that allows you to embed images.
    • Ensure that the image is shared publicly (a must) and copy the direct link to the image.
    • Use the "Image" button in the posting toolbar, paste the link, and submit.
    • Provided all of the above is correct, your image will now be embedded when you submit your post.
    On your mobile device / having issues? You can wrap the link using the IMG tag.
    Code:
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  7. 2Xmd

    2Xmd Initiate (0) Apr 19, 2013 New York

    You need to create an account with one of those services. I use Photobucket. You have to upload your photo and copy and paste the link for "forums/message boards.

    This seems like a good idea but I have one question. Where is your central air located? Mine is in my basement, so if I did this, I would possibly lose air going upstairs to the rest of the house. Basically my system would be working harder to cool the rest of the house. Currently there is no central air vents in the basement. Anyway the closet I would do it in would be perfect but it has a baseboard heater in it too so in winter the heat will go on and raise the temp of the closet.
     
  8. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    There is a FAQ entry on pictures. IIRC, you first need an account on one of the photo hosting sites, like photobucket or the like. At that point, and I think it is only through the main site, not app, you just need to hit the image icon and enter the link. I suppose you theoretically could manually enter the image tag and link.
     
  9. Billydoughnuts

    Billydoughnuts Pundit (771) Feb 22, 2015 Michigan

    I'm surprised you can cool the closet that much. Without a return air duct you can't put much conditioned air into a closed room, unless you have a lot of air leakage into the surrounding space. Most residential air handling units aren't capable of overcoming the slight positive pressure of the closed room. You can only put in as much air as you can take out.
     
  10. Jjski

    Jjski Zealot (632) Nov 2, 2013 New York
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    Billy, the top of the closet is vented, ( it's under the dining room, and there is a register there)so I am relying on the warm air rising out of the room, while the cool air falls ( the AC duct crosses top of closet) Slow convection plus the radiant "coolness" of the exposed cinder block back wall 10 feet below grade. The upper 2/3 of that wall has fiberglass insulation. I'm sure my outside vent line leaks too. I think it's crucial that the closet be on north side of foundation.

    That said: I've robbed the dining room of its AC which has a good and bad point. The main house thermostat is in there, so it reads higher without AC. Not terrible @ 2 degrees warmer. This makes the AC run more and I have to pay for the electricity. We only use the dining room for the kids homework area. I Leave the ceiling fans on to keep the AC from other outlets distributed though house.

    In have gone on vacation and left the AC on for the cat, come back and it's 49f in there. I have a remote thermometer upstairs. It is hard to keep it cool if the door gets opened a lot, not enough power for that. I try to slide in through a cracked door 1-2 x per week.

    It is labor intensive: we had a cold front go through last night and it went from 85 to 45. The AC won't be on for a week, so I will have to open the outside air vent at night, and close it in the morning
     
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  11. Billydoughnuts

    Billydoughnuts Pundit (771) Feb 22, 2015 Michigan

    Only once or twice a week?

    You're clearly not drinking enough beer :slight_smile:
     
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