Building a cellar

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by Rsqrd1, Apr 20, 2015.

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  1. Rsqrd1

    Rsqrd1 Crusader (436) Jul 10, 2014 Illinois

    So I am running out of space in the fridge I've been using as a cellar. I'm looking to section off and insulate a portion of my garage to dedicate as a cellar. The construction portion should be no problem, and I'm planning to use spray foam for primary insulation. My main question is, what is a cost effective way to control the temperature within the room? I've looked at wine cellar cooling units and they're well into the thousands of dollars, but I don't think a window unit air conditioner is going to do the job either. Is there a happy medium that anyone can suggest? I'm just looking at roughly a 10x5x8 space that will have a concrete floor and hopefully a high R value. I've looked at restaurant auctions and even considered buying a walk in cooler, but I think I could do it more cheaply myself.
     
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  3. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    Why wouldn't a window unit air conditioner do the job? A window unit air conditioner plugged into a temperature controller will be more than adequate to cool a 400 cubic foot space. Since you are looking to cool the space lower than average room temperatures, you will need a bigger air conditioning unit than usually recommended for that size space, but

    Here are two resources for you:
    https://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=roomac.pr_properly_sized
    http://www.doityourself.com/forum/a...ems/483589-air-conditioner-wine-celler.html#b

    One advantage of a more expensive wine cellar unit may be humidity control. You can get your own humidity controller if you are worried about it, but I would speculate that it doesn't matter as much with beer since beer is not corked.
     
  4. Rsqrd1

    Rsqrd1 Crusader (436) Jul 10, 2014 Illinois

    I didn't think a window unit would be good enough because they're only supposed to be able to reduce outside temp by 20 degrees. It'll get above 100 in my garage in the summer unfortunately, so I thought I'd need something beefier. Having said that, since making my post, I've found some information on modifying the thermostat of a window unit so it'll produce refrigeration temperatures.

    Thanks for the links and responses, just what I was hoping to find!
     
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  5. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    Glad you found what you need. The room you are talking about is very small, so you really just need a bigger unit that doesn't stop cooling at 60 degrees. Also, even though the garage may be 100, good insulation on the cellar area will keep it cooler inside the cellar.
     
  6. ttango

    ttango Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2010 Michigan

    How's it going so far?

    I bit the bullet on a CellarPro unit for a similar sized space so I'd be glad to answer any ?s.
     
  7. Rsqrd1

    Rsqrd1 Crusader (436) Jul 10, 2014 Illinois

    Construction should begin later this month, I'm definitely looking forward to it.
     
  8. tommyguz

    tommyguz Pooh-Bah (2,534) May 14, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    post photos!
     
  9. Rsqrd1

    Rsqrd1 Crusader (436) Jul 10, 2014 Illinois

    The part that is intimidating me is insulation. The Coolbot webpage suggests an r value of 25, which works out to basically 4 inches of spray foam insulation, and will cost almost $1400 for my little 10x6x8 room.
     
  10. ttango

    ttango Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2010 Michigan

    If you havent already, then consider grabbing this book:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1891267000/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Is there a reason why they call out spray foam? My builder used loose fill cellulose.
     
  11. Rsqrd1

    Rsqrd1 Crusader (436) Jul 10, 2014 Illinois

    They didn't specify the spray foam, I mention it because it seems to be about the best available, especially because I want to create an air tight seal. If I went with cellulose or something I'd need to make sure to caulk all the seams individually.
     
  12. MisterKilderkin

    MisterKilderkin Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2011 California

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  13. Amarangakis

    Amarangakis Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2014 California

    Go underground!
     
  14. Rsqrd1

    Rsqrd1 Crusader (436) Jul 10, 2014 Illinois

    Here's some pictures as requested:

    Started out by clearing out a section of my garage[​IMG]

    Framed out the ceiling and walled in a 6X10 section, made the walls with luan sheeting just to have a back to spray the foam against.

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    Here's a shot of the foam:

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    I ended up spray painting the foam black so that any gaps in my wall coverings wouldn't be as visible, and I added 2 inch angle iron for mounting my shelves. Not shown is that I did top and bottom with the angle iron for extra support of the 2x12's[​IMG]

    I made railings out of steel cable tightened with turnbuckles. I set the bottom rail at 2 inches because a 12 oz bottle on its side is 2.5 inches.

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    Mounted the AC and got the coolbot working, which was very nice given how hot it was working outside. Coolbot setup and installation was a breeze.
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    I covered the two short walls with reclaimed barnwood.

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    I found these Styrofoam tiles on ebay while searching for real tin tiles, they were cheap and I figure every bit of insulation helps.

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    I used old grain bin steel floor for the long walls
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    I was unhappy with the exposed look of the air conditioner, so I took a half-whiskey barrel that had been used as a flower pot and modified it to mount on the wall and hide the coolbot and AC. I cut an opening for the cold air, and an opening for the air intake. I separated the chambers with an extra piece of luan.

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    I'm pretty pleased with how it looks on the wall.[​IMG]

    And I found the perfect compliment to it with a vintage license plate from Bourbon County in Kentucky.
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    Completing the bourbon county theme by framing my black Friday poster I got in line at Lincoln Park Binny's

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    And here's a panoramic view of the whole shebang with the beer inside, but before I got my poster back from the frame shop

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    All total I'm into this project for around $1500, not counting the beer. $500 for the AC & Coolbot, $500 for the spray foam insulation, and around $500 for the door, tile, light, and wood + hardware. The bin wood and barn floor were free, and I have no clue what they'd cost on the open market.

    Thanks for the suggestions and support, I couldn't be happier with how everything turned out. At least until I get my first electric bill.
     
  15. dcbullet

    dcbullet Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2013 California

    That is a totally awesome cool room! I take it it is cooling well? What temp are you keeping it at versus the ambient garage temperature?
     
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  16. Rsqrd1

    Rsqrd1 Crusader (436) Jul 10, 2014 Illinois

    I took it down to 40 before I moved any beer in just to see if it would go that low and it got there from in just a few hours. I'm keeping it around 50 right now, seems to be staying at that spot without running the AC excessively. Garage temp is probably in the 80's during the day right now, so it's heavenly to just go hang out in the cooler. I need to get some kind of meter that I can hook up and see how much it's actually running, especially if we got a hot snap. I've got my Johnson controls temp controller that I had on my outgrown fridge that I'm going to switch over to heating with a couple of space heaters for the winter.
     
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  17. Rsqrd1

    Rsqrd1 Crusader (436) Jul 10, 2014 Illinois

    I should also add I put some foam-board insulation on the floor, and covered it with the sectioned workout mats for extra cushioning in case something did happen to fall.
     
  18. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    A local bar uses a Coolbot-type doohickey and a window air-conditioner to chill their walk-in. Been effective for at least 4 years now, should be no problem at home.
     
  19. lateralusbeer

    lateralusbeer Savant (1,222) Feb 7, 2010 North Carolina
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    My god man, what a labor of love. Wildly envious.
     
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  20. MisterKilderkin

    MisterKilderkin Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2011 California

    DUDE!!! extremely envious. Maybe I can talk the wife into something like this.... maybe. Turned out killer. I've got drawings very similar to this, nice to see someone do it. What is your bottle capacity?

    Cheers.
     
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