Building a summer citrusy IPA

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  1. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Building my second IPA this weekend. Did a Pliny the elder clone that is fantastic last month. Looking to do a 5 gallon summer IPA with oranges, kumquats, or something that is tart and refreshing for summer. Want a nice hint of tart but not overwhelming the hops. Any suggestions as far as how much tarty fruits to use for a 5 gallon batch?

    Hop profile will look. Like this....
    Steep 3oz chinook

    Boil 3oz nugget
    2oz magnum
    1oz columbus

    Flameout 1oz amarillo
    1 oz cascade

    Dry hop on top fruit in secondary along with 1oz Columbus,Amarillo,cascade

    Cheers!

    Andrew
     
  2. jncastillo87

    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

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    Extract or all grain ? 5 gallon ? OG? I would expect extract with a hop bill like that ... if you boil that amount of nugget , magnum and columbus the beer will be undrinkable unless this is for a 20 gallon batch. When you say steep 3 oz of chinook ... are you talking about steeping prior to boil or after the whirlpool ?? I dont know this isnt making much sense to me. You are looking at a BTU factor of 500 if you use that hop bill @ 60, 30 and 10 mins.
     
  3. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    If you want some tartness in there, add some lactic acid, do a partial sour mash.. Or... and hear me out..

    Use the Wyeast wheat yeast.. think it's 1010. It'll need some gelatin or a hearty cold crash to clear up really well, but it should work nicely and get you a nice dry beer.

    Keep in mind that adding fruit will cause extra fermentation so you need to figure out where to mash and hit your gravity with you assumed attenuation so you don't end up at far ends of the spectrum of what you are imagining.

    I'd like a little grapefruit rind at flame out with some heavy chinook and simcoe would really roll well, and avoid any fruit additions.
     
  4. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,946) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    What do you mean by "steep" for hops? What do mean for "boil"? When during the boil are you adding these hops?
     
  5. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Yes extract batch. This is only my 3rd run. I've been spoiled because the other two came out fantastic. Hopefully Father's Day Claus brings me a burner with a 7 gallon pot so I can start experimenting with all grains.

    .85lb carapils
    .65lb crystal 20

    7.5lbs lme
    .5lbs dme
    1lb corn sugar

    Steep chinook 45 min with grains then remove before boil

    90 minute boil nugget@90
    Magnum@ 45
    Columbus@ 30min

    I read about a guy using food processed apricots in his secondary fermenter with excellent results. I want to use kumquats but can't find any right now. So sour oranges or kiwi may work just don't know how much to experiment with.
     
  6. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    See if you can drop a hint to Father's Day Claus that a 10 gallon kettle is worth the investment and the 7 gallon will be quickly replaced with a larger kettle if you are going all grain and doing 5 gallon batches.
     
  7. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    Why would you steep hops with your steeping grains? What is that supposed to accomplish? Are you sure that you want 6 oz of high alpha hops all boiled for 30-90 min? What is your goal for this hop bill?
     
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  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,336) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I used 3 lbs of halved and juiced clementines in a wit this year and it turned out amazing, I also utilized 5% sauer malt in my mash as well. I threw the fruit in at flameout and it added a nice tartness to the beer.
     
  9. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Add my name to the list of confused. What are you looking to get from the 'steeped' hops? Any hop flavor that survives the boil will be lost in the overwhelming bitterness (378 IBUs, according to Beer Recipator). You're not likely to taste much fruit through that, either.

    I would take a couple of steps back and learn how to build a recipe. This one, I fear, will break your streak of 'fantastic' beers :grimacing:
     
  10. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Yeah, half of those hops don't really say "Citrusy" or "Summery" to me. Which, if that's what you're going for, you'd probably want pretty darn close to 100% of the hops to bring some element of that.

    I'd get rid of the C20 and the Nugget. Move 1 oz of Magnum to 60, the Columbus to 10, 1 oz Chinook at 5, 2 oz Cascade, 1 oz Amarillo at KO. For the dry hop, switch the Columbus for Chinook.

    I didn't look at anything to calculate IBUs, so my guess is that with that arrangement they'd still be pretty high, but that's roughly how I'd disperse them in the boil.
     
  11. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I appreciate the suggestions. Any good brew calculators or good reading material suggestions? Websites? Like I said this only my 3rd run. I would like to develop good fundamentals early.

    I am basically going off the Pliny clone for the backbone and messing with the hops. I wanted to give the IPA hops with a hint of tart hence the fruit addition.
     
  12. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    There are very few hard and fast rules in brewing, but take this as a pretty consistent guideline - if you're after hop flavor, keep most of your additions between 15-0 minutes. From there, use bittering hops to fill in the gap to your desired IBUs. For example, I'm drinking a pale ale I made. It's about 60 IBUs and I didn't use a bittering charge at all - I hop bursted without planning to. I put in ~4 oz of fairly high AA hops at the end of the boil and there's a lot of flavor plus bitterness.

    As for tartness, I've never used fruit. I've been at this for about a year (15 or so batches) and I haven't had the desire or ambition. I don't want to tell you you can't or even shouldn't use fruit yet, but I learned through experience that I wasn't learning nearly as fast as I thought. What I can offer is that Wyeast 3711 definitely does have some tartness. It's a saison yeast, so it'll be more estery than a typical IPA, but it would definitely give you a summery beer.
     
  13. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,946) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    If you have not read it, howtobrew.com or better by the latest edition in hardcopy http://www.amazon.com/How-Brew-Everything-Right-First/dp/0937381888/ every homebrewer should read this a couple of times. Before you spend $10 on hops, spend $11 and buy/read this book. Then, come here and ask lots of questions :slight_smile:
     
  14. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I'd work on your hop bill.. It's pretty jacked up.

    If you want "summer" then go light, and use citrusy hops.

    While the hops you chose, do have some citrusy, they aren't the first choices most would make.

    Shoot for some Amarillo, Citra, Centennial, Cascade, Simcoe, and if you want fruity and citrusy, Mosaic.
     
    #14 FATC1TY, Apr 26, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2014
  15. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Thank you I will purchase it today
    Gentlemen all feedback is greatly appreciated have a wonderful weekend
     
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