Burner Question

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  1. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    I'm looking to upgrade to a Bayou Classic KAB4 burner. I currently have a dark star type burner. It's a pain in the ass to get 6.5 gals to boil let alone a vigorous one. Typically, I get impatient and crank the flame. I've also noticed my beer getting darker. Is what I'm seeing scorching? And two, going to the KAB4 burner, will I see that lessen assuming I won't have to pump the flame as much to get a good boil going?

    Thanks!
     
  2. SuperWhip

    SuperWhip Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 California

    This is what I used for years and loved --> Bayou Classic SP10

    I loved it so much that when I wend to build my stand I incorporated the burners into it.
     
  3. SuperWhip

    SuperWhip Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 California

    I should mention that it can easily boil 15 gallons
     
  4. 1beerbaron

    1beerbaron Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 Ohio

    I think the Blichmann burners are worth the price after buying one myself.
     
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  5. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    I recently bought a KAB4. It's awesome!

    I will be honest though, it definitely is a serious piece of equipment. Use stick lighters or 1' matches etc to light. And make sure you read the regulator, it works opposite to the logic in my brain. :slight_smile:

    It's a great burner for a big pot.

    Also make sure to burn off the paint on the stand!

    You want to crank it until you start seeing orange tips on the flame, back it down a bit and that's your most efficient run. You can of course light the SOB up though! !
     
  6. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    Totally agree with this. I've bought some crap over the past year, but this is the second best investment I've made next to a Ss Conical.

    Love the amount of control and the power of the Blichmann.
     
  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    If you're using standard 20# LP tanks you'll only get about 180 minutes of boil time with the KAB4. I switched back to the SP10 and I'm happy with the smaller sipping burner. I start the flame after I get 5 gallons in the kettle. I get the other 2 gallons in a stock pot and add it in while my main kettle is heating. I get about 360 minutes of boil time with this one.
     
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  8. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Why do you say that?
     
  9. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Haha just what I was hoping. I'm thinking the bango style burner, with its spread out flame, has to be 1000 times better than my single flame, dark star.
     
  10. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    Hmm that's interesting. Is there a large BTU difference? What's your boil off rate for an hour long boil with the SP10?
     
  11. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I've owned a blichmann burner now for about 7 maybe 8 years and it has paid itself back at least once, but probably a few times over, in propane costs. It sips propane…and gets even 17 gallons of wort to a boil in good time. Blichmann definitely put the engineering element into the design of the burner since it seems like 90% of the BTUs actually get transferred to the wort (I totally made up that percentage). I don't get that from bayou burners at all...
     
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  12. 1beerbaron

    1beerbaron Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 Ohio

    Pretty much this.

     
  13. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I'm a little confused here. You say that the burner is not hot enough, so you crank the flame? Why not just turn it up all the time to speed up the boil? If 10 is not hot enough, and it goes to 11, then just turn it to 11.
    If what you're seeing is scorching, then it's already too hot. A hotter burner will only make it worse. Do you brew outdoors? If so, do you protect the kettle from wind? Even the slightest breeze can make a huge difference. A few years ago before I got my monster 23-tip wok burner, I bought some sheet metal at Home Depot and built a sleeve that simply slipped over the keggle, leaving about 2" space around the kettle. It tamed the flame and also provided a path for the the flame to bathe the kettle sides with heat (that second part was an unexpected bonus). The difference was night and day.
    Using natural gas, I can get years of boil time and save about 90% in fuel cost at the same time. Since the OP is shopping for a new burner, it might be a good time to consider switching to NG. If service is available and you're even moderately skilled with plumbing, it's a no-brainer, IMO.
     
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  14. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    I guess my assumption is with a single flame, directed at a single area, you're creating one point of heat entry. Like using a magnifying glass to start a first. Directing all the suns energy to one point is going to burn that one point. Sure the surrounding wood is warm but you've burned just a spot. I would figure dispersing the heat would help. Probably completely off base on that.

    I do brew outdoors. I was planning on beefing up my wind deflection when I got my new burner. I'm usually in the garage but I have notice a bit of a wind current through there that's probably affecting the flame.

    I'm in an apartment currently so natural gas is a no go. BUT, it's on the list when I buy a house. I think it would be stupid not to.
     
  15. JohnConnorforealthistime

    JohnConnorforealthistime Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2016 Wisconsin

    I'm curious how much burn time you have with the Blichmann. I mean, it's twice the price I can get a Bayou for. The usage difference would have to be decent for that to pay off.
     
  16. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I've seen numbers for the SP10 vary widely. Some say it's a 55k BTUs, others go as high as 150K BTUs. There may be different PSI regulators for the same SP10 burner that I'm not aware of. A 10 PSI sounds more like 55K BTUs and a 20 PSI sounds like it could get you up to 150K BTUs. The KAB4 is a 30 PSI and fickle to adjust for a boil--especially on a windy day. The KAB4 is rated at 220K BTUs.

    I get a boil off rate of about 1.2 gallons per hour with the SP10.
    I never really measured boil off with the KAB4. I'd think your boil off would be pretty consistent with how wide your kettle is.

    For what it's worth, I'm able to get 14 gallons to a boil in my 15 gal kettle. It takes a few extra minutes, but I know I'll never go back to the KAB4.
     
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