Calculating Pre-Boil Volume

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  1. reidm

    reidm Initiate (187) Jul 24, 2013 Texas

    Hi All. So I have a question about calculating pre-boil volume for an all-grain recipe.

    I find a lot of recipes that call for specific pre-boil volumes, but isn't that a number that would be very specific to someone's system?

    Obviously you want to add in water to account for evaporation rate. But I'm curious, do most of you add in water to account for kettle trub/deadspace and shrinkage due to cooling? Or, do you worry about pulling too much wort and thus pulling unnecessary tannins?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    There are several types of volume losses to account for that affect how much total water you need. Not all apply to all systems. And the volumes/rates do vary from system to system...

    Hot Liquor Tank dead space
    Mash Tun dead space
    Grain Absorption
    Boil Off
    Hop Absorption
    Kettle Deadspace
    Transfer Losses

    Software helps.
     
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  3. reidm

    reidm Initiate (187) Jul 24, 2013 Texas

    @VikeMan, thanks for the response. I totally agree that software helps. I use BeerSmith, however I sometimes find that it's become more of a crutch than anything. It's harder to really understand process/issues/solutions when you don't know where the numbers are being derived from.

    Since all those factors can vary greatly from system to system, any idea why recipes even specify a pre-boil volume?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    IMO they shouldn't. As to why some do...this is going to sound harsh, but I think it's because some recipe writers don't understand WTF they are doing. It's kind of like specifying mineral additions or acid malt additions without knowing the starting water profile.
     
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  5. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Recipe volumes are first-approximations.
    With or w/out software ... it's still a matter of trial'n error until you dial into _your_ system.
     
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  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'd suggest that the recipes authors are showing a little about their process, gravities, and what you should end up with. Just an OG and a FG may not account for a 3 hour boil that you're doing on that untraditional Strong Scotch Ale. It's good to get a few ballpark numbers so that when you're way off in the preboil, you can make adjustments with DME and rescale your hops.
     
  7. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    It will depend of your system and the efficiency. I recently brew my 1st all grain and i use a recipe i found but ended up with almos 700ml more than what i was aiming for, of course my OG went down as hell but still good for the style i was brewing. From this experience i think the best advice is, write down everything you do, i think my next batch will be closer to the recipe in terms of volume and OG.
     
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