CALIFORNIA DROUGHT: No more beer?

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  1. colforbin73

    colforbin73 Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2010 California

    i am sure production will roll on for 2015. but what about '16 or '17? agriculture will trump municipality use for watering parks and public spaces. the lawns will go brown. but if things keep going this way.... bye bye beer.

    i remember reading something about bear republic a year ago or so, fearful of the impacts of the drought -- and it has only gotten worse.

    SN and Lagunitas have moved some production to zipcodes with better water resources. but what about stone, fw, ballast point and many others? one would imagine the prices will be going up.... but how much longer can they last?

    http://bearrepublic.com/bear-republic-finalizes-historic-deal-city-cloverdale/

    like big ag, ^ in 2013 BR started funding the drilling of more wells. but as we are learning quickly, all resources are finite.
     
  2. MarshallBirdhouse

    MarshallBirdhouse Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky
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    Spend money on desalination
     
  3. HattedClassic

    HattedClassic Pooh-Bah (2,545) Nov 23, 2009 Virginia
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    Stone is opening a facility in Richmond, VA, and Ballast Point is rumored to be looking into the same area; so I wouldn't be too worried. My guess is that CA breweries that can afford it will probably be looking into alternative sites on the East Coast or other regions with sufficient water resources to expand in. As such, I'm sure that we're going to see some breweries being forced to close because of these restrictions or just lack of water.
     
  4. colforbin73

    colforbin73 Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2010 California


    from my understanding the technology is not there/not cost effective.

    i know a recipe is a recipe, but the california style of IPA and Pale ale is part and parcel of the CALIFORNIA geography. it is a drier style born of the unique california culture and climate. if the stuff isn't being brewed here --- imho, it's just not the same. (take New Glaurus, that brewery is totally unique and indicative of WI -- if those people were brewing beer in CALI, it would be entirely different.)
     
  5. ToddSoonerFan

    ToddSoonerFan Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2013 Iowa

    LAGUNITAS in Chicago! Life is good!
     
  6. MarshallBirdhouse

    MarshallBirdhouse Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky
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    The technology is there. It's just expensive. But I don't think the state of California really cares too much about how taxpayer money is spent.
     
  7. kfordham281

    kfordham281 Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2005 Georgia

    Breweries will need to deal with slow/no growth and more expensive capital projects to reduce water consumption. Bear Republic spent $1 million on a water conservation project: http://www.takepart.com/article/201...-helping-ca-town-get-through-historic-drought

    I would also think that another factor that some of these California breweries went looking on the east coast was access to water and reducing risk on a single location. In essence multiple suppliers. I wouldn't be surprised to see other larger CA breweries looking to expand east. The drought is just another reason to do so.
     
  8. Alpha309

    Alpha309 Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2014 California

    The restrictions are going to hit people watering lawns way before people using water as an economical or agricultural use. It may just be a bit less and waste will be looked at very closely. At least making beer brings/keeps money in the state, while watering grass and flowers is just wasteful and provides no value at all, except maybe property value.

    I honestly would be more concerned with being able to take a shower, or having water to cook with than making beer.

    As for desalination: I would rather have a method to make water drinkable that is not cost effective than not have water at all.
     
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  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,553) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Desal is extremely energy-intensive. There are options for reclaimed water though, and I think California is already making significant headway w/ that. I'd say bye-bye lawn before I said bye-bye beer.
     
  10. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Initiate (0) May 13, 2007 South Carolina

    Just one more reason for Californians to bail out on a once idyllic state.
     
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  11. wordemupg

    wordemupg Grand Pooh-Bah (3,187) Feb 11, 2009 Canada (AB)
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    Invade Canada, steal out water, build pipeline, make beer, problem solved.......I think.
     
  12. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,553) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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  13. colforbin73

    colforbin73 Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2010 California

    yeah, i know, i guess i didnt make that clear. the lawns are going brown THIS year, we all know that..... as for desalination, it is way way way far off. and YES, of course i would rather have expensive water than no water. but at some point it is so expensive, providing water for 40 million people PLUS ag plus INDUSTRY (breweries) --- at somepoint, people and businesses are simply forced to leave.


    thinking man right here ^ -- F the keystone pipeline, we need a pipeline to southern california stat.
     
  14. dcbullet

    dcbullet Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2013 California

    I'm so glad we're building a bullet train instead of investing in water retention projects. Great job Sacramento.
     
  15. Goldstar81

    Goldstar81 Initiate (0) Jul 15, 2010 California

    Haha if the drought was so bad that there was no more beer I think we would have much bigger problems than a lack of our favorite beverage. If anything prices may go up especially for hops but hopefully that will be a gradual process rather than a sharp increase like gasoline.
     
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  16. Siggy125

    Siggy125 Maven (1,306) Nov 10, 2006 California
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    If I were thinking of opening up a microbrewery in Cal, our water problems would be the deal breaker. Opening a business in this state is tough enough without the threat of running out of the business' blood.

    I don't anticipate this problem will get any better unless we have 2-3 consecutive years of record rainfall.
     
  17. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2009 California
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    Desalination is an energy-intensive process which produces waste products. There are emerging desal technologies, such as solar desalination, which look promising, but since it's in its infancy, the cost is twice that of other methods. The solution is going to take more than a reliance on emerging technology, but it's going to be hard convincing folks who think their consumption habits are sustainable.
     
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  18. Igotmypistola

    Igotmypistola Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2010 California

    Gonna ride that bullet train down South for all my beer releases! That's what it's for right?
     
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  19. Saxmusik45

    Saxmusik45 Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2011 California

  20. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,553) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Then please move to Vancouver, Washington. You'd have no state income tax and then you could drive across the Columbia to Portland to do your shopping (no sales tax). Beer is a lot cheaper in Portland to begin with.
     
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