Can ‘Craft’ Do for Soda What It Did for Beer?

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  1. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Craft Soda

    Reading this it sounds more like "crafty soda", but an interesting parallel. I've seen some initial marketing feedback on the Caleb's Soda (Pepsico) and the sales are quite poor. It really isn't all that differentiated from regular Pepsi - couple of formula tricks - and of course more expensive. Supposedly it is the original Pepsi recipe from the 1800's....hmmm...ring a familiar tone? Note that Pepsi declined comment.

    I think this attempt will be made in other industries. We'll see...

    But damn, I hate cola snobs :wink:
     
  2. Curry

    Curry Initiate (0) Apr 10, 2003 Montana

    So. . . who came up with this douchebaggery?
     
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  3. Beef_Curtains

    Beef_Curtains Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2013 Ohio

    I can tell you now that "craft soda" is a pretty risky business idea. Regular brand-name pops like coke and pepsi are good enough how they are that I don't think people would pay more for a fancier version. I think craft beer has been so successful because they took a product that many people did not care for, were getting tired of, or only drank for the alcohol and made new versions that tasted completely different and delicious. I just don't think it's possible with something that's already pretty cheap and tasty like pop.
     
  4. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    I am a beer snob all day long, but I choose my battles. Diet soda works for me and the macro sodas are fine.
     
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  5. dsl72701

    dsl72701 Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2014 Arkansas

    In my market at least two craft brewers distribute soda, Abita and Tommyknocker. Both sell relatively well in my store, obviously not as well as Coke or Pepsi but enough sales to justify their place on the shelf. My personal favorite is Tommyknocker Almond Cream Soda. It's no Pliny, but good nonetheless.
     
  6. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    The "craft" sodas that I have had are not that significantly better than the mass produced. Craft beet, on the other hand, is significantly better. That's the difference.
     
  7. BKBassist

    BKBassist Initiate (0) Jan 24, 2013 New York

    Jones has done decently for a while, and here in NYC, Boylans seems to be pretty common. I think there is room for craft soda to survive, but I can't imagine you'll ever have the diversity or market share that craft beer has achieved.
     
  8. Fargrow

    Fargrow Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Michigan

    I was into craft soda as a kid. Used to mix every pop on the fountain. Very scientific, very cutting-edge.

    But seriously, I think part of the allure to craft beer, for me at least, is that it is actually "crafted" with a few natural ingredients that really work together and change to become the final product. The other part is that it makes you drunk.
     
  9. Northlax3

    Northlax3 Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2012 New Jersey

    How about all the root beers breweries are making?

    I just had Victory Root Beer last week and it was very good! not sure id pay 6 pk beer prices for it, but if it was somewhat cheap, I'd buy it.
     
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  10. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    IMO, the closer parallel is hard cider. It's eerily similar, right down to the faux branded pseudo ciders being pitched by the big guys.
     
  11. checktherhyme

    checktherhyme Savant (1,036) Apr 8, 2008 Washington

    Soda does not have alcohol. I think it will always have its place on the shelves, but at the same time will always be somewhat of a novelty.
     
  12. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Damn! No wonder it was taking forever to get a buzz!
     
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  13. hophead_87

    hophead_87 Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Virginia

    I agree. See what happened when Coke tried to change their formula and offer a "craft" substitute. Consumers revolted, Coke offered the obligatory "Mea culpa", and we all got "Coca-Cola Classic" as a result. Branching outside of what the consumer knows isn't always a good idea.
     
  14. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Agreed about the risk - there's just not a significant point of difference between the products. Basically, the formulas are the same. There's niche brands that have been successful, but I don't see how this flies any better at big scale than the recent big brand "old school" sodas that just swapped sucrose for HFCS and did the retro packaging look. Something like Izze has the fruit juice advantage and last I knew they were still a pretty small market. We have Yacht Club around here and it succeeds partially due to nostalgia and by playing into the whole farmer's market scene - it's a pretty old brand that locals all know. That's a completely different game and scale of business.

    It's the piggy-backing on a tactic that is intriguing. I guess the closest thing I see in my industry is the "high end" fruit juices - the ones sitting in coolers for $7 - $10 a bottle. In such a small margin business, it doesn't make sense. It's obvious in beer world - Blue Moon, etc. are pretty much in this category. With soda - what are they trying to capitalize on here? Just the concept itself? There's no "movement" to glom onto other than the real regional/local brand faves. Maybe their marketers think they can create a craze - I don't think so.
     
  15. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    But that did work for beer, otherwise we'd all be on AALadvocate... I'm not much of an historian, but was there an existing market demanding better beer "back in the day", or were there just the pioneers with the guts to make the product and more or less create the market?

    The difference this time around - they aren't tinkering with the family jewels, so to speak. They are "covertly" launching a different product. There's just no mass of people crying out for "better soda" to tap into - so I am in the what are ya thinkin' camp (usually am when talking to marketing types).
     
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  16. hophead_87

    hophead_87 Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Virginia

    Absolutely agree.. and you hit on how it worked in that the craft characteristics were different enough to let consumers know it was "better tasting."

    As to your "better soda" question, Pepsi and Coke have attempted to tap into that "craft" area with offering "Vanilla Coke" which didn't really work.. and some did work... like the nostalgic following that Surge gets.
     
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  17. kelvarnsen

    kelvarnsen Pundit (944) Nov 30, 2011 Canada (ON)

    Man, considering how much some people complain about how the big brewers try to keep their small competitors down, I can only imagine the level of complaining there would be if craft soda ever became a thing. Because the kind of stuff A-B does pales in comparison to the kind of stuff that Coca-cola would do.
     
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  18. Lucular

    Lucular Grand Pooh-Bah (4,367) Jun 20, 2014 Maryland
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    Sprecher root beer is the best I've ever had. Dominion root beer is pretty good too, but Sprecher is the best.
     
  19. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    They make hands down the best cream soda too. Their ginger ale isn't bad either. I actually think they are better at making soda than beer.
     
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  20. BILF

    BILF Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2010 Israel

    Fuck soda.
     
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