Candid Dialogue About Moderation

This discussion is has gone around the same thing for 2 pages, with many attempts to make it about you. We hear/read your issues, and Todd has said he's not going to change it. Walk away, or live with it. If the system here is so broken- why subject yourself to it?

I understand the differences in the approach to handling the ISO/FT section. There are several different ideas of what straddles the line and ways to deal with it.

I understand you want the comments left, because it gives you and the other serial traders a guide stick on what something is valued at. Everyone will argue they are being constructive, and others will aruge you are being critical and threadshitting.

Your input is appreciated, though, even if you'll want to continue to think you are being targeted.

 

General question regarding the mods approach to the iso:ft forums...

Are mods generally reactive (responding only to reported posts) or are they proactive in that they peruse threads, ensuring posts follow guidelines and TOS?

 

Like I said, everyone is different, but I've rarely, ever browsed the ISO/FT section looking for offending posts. There are 2.6 millions posts on this site. I have not the time, nor desire to go on a witch hunt here.

It's purely reactive, and as it should. If something is wrong, or offensive to someone then it's brought to the attention via a report. If your posts have been deleted or edited, it's because someone, or several people have reported it for various reasons.

 

FWIW, while maybe pointless in one sense, the existence of this thread and the patience you guys have shown in responding to mattvandyk's posts have been visible and meaningful to the rest of us. Just the demonstration of being willing to spend the time carries weight.

 

I have a question about memes. I posted a meme (i understood that reference meme) in response to a joke someone made and my post got deleted. @F2brewers messaged me and let me know it got deleted and attached a link to the TOS. I read through them and didn't see anything that really related to the disallowance of a meme post. The closest rule would be that it was off topic which i realize it was off topic because it didn't specifically relate to the OP's ISO or FT. So I understand why it got deleted. My question is why can't we post memes on threadsthat are related to the topic of discussion or in response to another BA's post?

I think as long as it isn't offensive and it's relevant then i don't see the issue.

 

Just wanted to chime in here, I posted a relevant question in a thread from August 2014.

I guess my question is, surely there is cause for concern when we are not allowed to bump older threads but if we create duplicate threads they are also deleted?

Just my two cents.

 

I referenced the OP on a thread who was doing a "6-pack a Week Challenge" and asked for an update, which was relevant to the thread, and i'm sure others would have been equally interested. If it was merely a "bump" for the sake of it or an irrelevant post then I would understand.

 

I don't want this to come across as complaining about a mod. @F2brewers has always been helpful, particularly in the Benelux board.

 

i don't take it that way.

IMO, that thread is *not* the kind of thread we wish to perpetuate here. discussing health issues related to drinking is a toss up at best and many of the threads become a troll fest.

that thread was super active for two days and hasn't had any activity since.

bringing it back to life will bring back all of the other inane and negative replies in the thread. if you're really interested, i do think that sending the OP a BM is the best way to discuss it.

different minds have different ideas, but that's my reasoning.

 

Understood, I can see how a thread like that could derail quickly. Thanks for the clarification.

 

I can't believe I found this thread just recently.

I just want to go on record to say I do believe in Moderation. Rules keep the forum in check and it needs to be here. For the most part the Moderators here do an excellent job controlling threads and cleaning them up. We are lucky to have such an active staff and @Todd that actually takes time to listen to the questions and concerns about their members.

My only concern/suggestion is treating every member fairly. If you're going to ban someone for one offense and not ban another member for the same offense...how is that fair? I think every member should be upheld to the same standards.

I have voiced my opinion in the passed, regardless of how abrasive it was. I stated my opinion and I know it rubbed a lot of veteran members the wrong way. Getting banned didn't change my opinion, but changed my approach to the situation.

At some point I realized I couldn't even question a moderator without being banned. I don't mind being banned for breaking the rules. But to voice an opinion then be threatened just doesn't feel right.

 

Todd I would have examples but those comments have been deleted and that member wasn't suspended. I know you'll always have your staffs back. If you look at my history I did not attack the moderation team. However I did ask questions to Brewers before. Which he just responded to me with threats then a temp ban (he deleted those comments as well). Don't you find it odd that every single temp ban was from the same moderator? I did deserve some of them, not going to lie. However I've seen some members do the same things without the same consequences.

I'm the type of person that stands by what I say. It may be contrary to what the masses believe and be deemed rude to others and yeah I know there are better ways to approach it. But doesn't it take two to argue? If they don't verbally attack me...I'd really have nothing or no one to talk to.

one of the hardest part of moderation is determining tone. I've tried to resolve this with the moderator, I was not able to get a response.

 

I'll echo the same stuff I've said before..

The staff does not.. and I repeat.. does not target people, or look to ban/time out members of the community. This place is an asset to beer, and beer culture, and there will always be people who are here to cause issues. It happens and it's the internet, and it's just unavoidable.

Everyone here is an asset to each other, until proven otherwise by their own actions. Act like a cordial, drinking age adult, and you'll be treated the same.