Canned beer. Am I missing something?

Nope. Nothing to see in cans. Keep your strong aversion.
(more for me)

 

Not quite sure what you're saying? Recipe? No idea on that one.

Here's the chronology (w/Hamm's Lone Star and Pearl connections):

1975 - Olympia buys Hamm Brewing Co. (brands and St. Paul brewery only - SF closed, "Burgie" brand sold to Pabst) .
1976 - Olympia merges with Lone Star - - putting Olympia solidly in the Top Ten of US breweries at #6 - #8 for the rest of the decade - over 6m bbl. production.

Infamous 3-Way Merger/Spin-off, winter 1982-3 - Pabst buys Olympia and Heileman buys Pabst.

Heileman keeps some of Pabst's southern and west coast breweries (Lone Star, Blitz-Weinhard in Portland, and Pabst, GA) and a few "hot" brands (Lone Star, Henry Weinhard, Red, White & Blue) and spins off a "New" weakened Pabst, as a way to keep ahead of the DoJ's Anti-Trust folks (who'd already prevented both a Schlitz-Heileman and Pabst-Heileman mergers).

1985 - Kalmanovitz's S&P Corp. [General (Lucky) / Falstaff (inc. Ballantine & Narragansett brands) / Pearl] - buys the "New" Pabst.

 

Thanks, that was a poor way to ask a question, but that's what I was thinking about their lineage.

 

Pretty easy to find around here. A few places have it on tap as well.

 

Cans hand a down, no contest. The styles I like IPAS, Pales, Pilsners, Lagers...are much better in cans according to my palette. I do think it is style dependant. Kinda like darker styles from a bottle. Bottle or can I pour into a glass 90% of the time. Could be the hop factor and light being the enemy of hops more than malt? I don't beliveve darks or maltyer styles are affected as much by light?

 

First. Cool out. Everything you magnify as a paranoia are the kinds of things stores get shut down for. Breweries as well.
Second. Drinking beer out of a chilled glass?

 

I'll usually buy beer in cans if they are available at the store. Lighter and easier to transport especially if you are walking/public transport. Beer stays fresher in cans if they are canned properly (no light damage, less oxidation), and usually easier to find the date canned or best by date (right on the bottom).

 

Cans are clearly satanic demon spawn. Theres absolutely no other rationale.

 

Can't get Good Ass Beer in bottles!

 

A friend of mine showed me some pretty inappropriate pictures of beer cans hanging halfway out of some pretty nasty orifices. I still drink beer from a can.

 

Yes, your bias against/aversion to canned beers is causing you to miss out on drinking some absolutely fantastic craft beers. More small craft breweries are canning their beers for distribution because it is a way for them to get their beers into stores and bars, and it is my understanding that the cost to buy and also the size equipment itself necessary to can beers are both much smaller than everything that is needed to set up a bottling line. So for a lot of smaller craft breweries the choice to can simply makes a lot of economic sense. Please try go get over your bias/aversion and be open to drinking canned craft beers.

Eric

 

If you want to state strong opinions. Expect some pushback from people who see holes in those theories.
For short shelf life beer, such as any of the ones you mentioned. When that can is seamed to spec. It is the superior vessel in every way.
Can technology has improved drastically in the twenty five years you have been drinking SNPA. A lot of what people are calling the "innovative" IPA brewers are canning only operations, and more of the old guard are seeing how cans for these products is a wise business move. Both, for their product, and for their wallet because of the cost savings you get when it comes to shipping beer around the country. Shipping a pallet of bottles around the country. You are essentially shipping two to three times the weight of the liquid in just the glass alone. In that vein. I can't imagine the cost savings Green Flash experienced in moving away from their trademark glass bottles. Pity their product since then has been aimed at people who could just as easily be drinking wine coolers. When you are shipping a pallet of cans around the country. The cans add only about 20 extra pounds to the cargo.
The continued misperception, and bias against cans is strictly something being carried over from the microbrew era.

 

Curious. How does this relate to the OPs strong emotional response to cans as a result of having had to unpackage cases with punctured cans and finding ******s in the case as well as sealed cans, especially when he had to dispose of the ******s, remove any stuck to cans, and clean off the unpunctured cans to prepare them for shelving?? He has a reaction to cans which he, himself, admits is not entirely rational. That reaction has little or nothing to do with something carried over from the microbrew era and quite a bit to do with direct unpleasant experiences with the container and what seems to grow, thrive, and multiply on the outside of the container under certain conditions.

 

Yeah, and a stationary high quality bottling line combined with oxygen scavenging caps can yield better packaged beer than an inexpensive canning line for rent... but the people who claim that cans are flat out better than bottles have their own biases same as you... the difference is that they might not be as open to challenging and admitting their bias as you are.

... and everybody is "missing out" on something.

 

First. I'm trying to wrap my head around how a case with a punctured can would make it onto a stores shelf. Wouldn't that can leak, and create a compromised package? Both visually, and also structurally? Wouldn't that leak also make the case quite a bit lighter as well?
I'm not denying it's possible, probable, and also entirely likely. But, I'm still baffled as to why it made it onto a store shelf in the first place, because that tells me some aspect of giving a shit about qa/qc went far by the wayside. I'm going to lay the blame on the store itself for not paying attention, and also I'm interested as to how the op didn't notice the problematic case as they handled it?

 

He didn't say the case was appearing on the shelves. He reports working in the liquor business and having had to open cases so the cans/bottles could be stocked on the shelves. In the process of opening those cases he sometimes found punctured cans and ******s in the mess that had been created by the leakage. That meant he had to clean up the ******s and the mess. That included cleaning the cans before they could be placed out on the shelf. It is not at all hard to imagine that a can in a sealed case could get punctured/ruptured creating the mess you speak of and the growth of the ******s he speaks of.