Canned draught beers

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  1. Homers_Beer_Odyssey

    Homers_Beer_Odyssey Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2014 New York

    For awhile, Guinness Stout had a nitrogen widget in the bottle that foamed up the beer when you tipped it. This allowed them to say it had "Draught Flow." A few other specialty beers had the widget. But there are no more nitrogen widgets out there that I know of.

    Miller Genuine Draft never had the widget. The "Draft" name was, as I understand it, marketing only. Did nobody ever sue them, or the FDA not cite them, for false advertising?
     
  2. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,560) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    Nah, figure some lawyer would defend that when you pop the top, you genuinely feel a small "draft" if the beer is sufficiently cooled. At least that's what I would argue, but I'm not a lawyer, so.....
     
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  3. Homers_Beer_Odyssey

    Homers_Beer_Odyssey Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2014 New York

    The whole concept seems odd. It's like advertising canned tomatoes as "fresh on the vine."
     
  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    No need to sue. No false advertising involved with Miller Genuine Draft. Its allowed under Federal Regulations given certain conditions are met. See the link below for further details.

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/misleading-labels-names.130946/page-2#post-1914431
     
  5. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    Before this erupts and derails into false CAMRA platforming - nitro is a tradeoff. Muted flavors and aroma for a creamy smooth mouthfeel NOT attainable in cans or bottle through other means
     
  6. Homers_Beer_Odyssey

    Homers_Beer_Odyssey Initiate (0) Jun 17, 2014 New York

    How many craft beers are unpasteurized? Could they advertise themselves as "draught"?
     
  7. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    draught does not mean unpasteurized
     
  8. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    If its canned or bottled, draught on the label or in the name does mean unpasturized.

    See the link above to the explanation.
     
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  9. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
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    How does everyone pronounce "draught"?
     
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  10. cheesepuffs

    cheesepuffs Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Connecticut

    It's pronounced "draft". Think of the word "laughter". Same thing with "draught".
     
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  11. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

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    Murray explained that the recipe for Guinness has undergone only minor adjustments over the years. Every keg of Guinness Draught imported to the US comes from St. James’s Gate in Dublin (though Guinness Extra Stout is made in Canada). It contains water, malt, roasted barley, hops and yeast - and that’s it. Like many major labels, Guinness relies on “high-gravity brewing,” which involves large batches of wort (unfermented beer) high in fermentable sugars (note to beer geeks: the goal is a 1072 gravity). Eventually these are watered down to attain a 4.2 percent ABV (alcohol by volume). The brewers also blend batches to aid in consistency, and the beer is pasteurized.
     
  12. JMS1512

    JMS1512 Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2013 New Jersey

    "Druft." Kidding. "Draft." However, it's one of those funky words in English. I recall taking a literary analysis class in which that word was used repeatedly in a Moby Dick passage. I wasn't quite smart enough to catch on, and because I thought it was pronounced "dr(AW)t" I completely missed the "accepted" interpretation of the passage.
     
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  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    And there is a difference between US regulations governing Draught on canned/bottled beer and on kegged beer, which is what this description talks about.

    Did you take a look at the contents of the link I posted? The case of kegged beer is covered there by the person making the post.
     
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  14. jageraholic

    jageraholic Pooh-Bah (1,632) Sep 16, 2009 Massachusetts
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    that's the most intelligent thing I've read on BA for awhile. I always thought draft but want to pronounce it differently when I read it. Now the "Draft" really makes sense.
     
  15. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    I did, but I also found many sites pointing to the 14.9 oz Guiness Draught can as being pasteurized. I'll concede happily.
     
  16. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Well then we need to invite @jesskidden to comment on what appears to be an exception to his post. Could be the material he cited does not apply to beers brewed outside of the US or that there's been a regulation change since his post.
     
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  17. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    It mentions "bottles" not cans. Not sure if that is the loop

    ""The words 'keg' or 'draught' may be used as part of the designation of class and type for domestic products of the Brewing Industry in bottles, which are unpasteurized and which otherwise conform to the trade understanding of draught products."
     
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  18. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    "Draught" simply means the beer has been drawn from the bulk.It does not mean anything regarding brewing processes.
     
  19. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    You're thinking in terms of logic. We're discussing an aspect of American administrative law. Totally different.

    I thought Guinness cans still had the widget?

    P.S. this is a silly question but how exactly is a beer pasteurized? When it's boiled? If so, how is it possible for a beer not to be pasteurized?
     
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  20. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    The boiling process takes part before fermentation. It's wort, not beer, which is boiled.Once fermented, infections and spoilage are possible so some brewers pasteurise the beer.
     
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