Cans - will you pay a premium?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by pitweasel, May 11, 2015.

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  1. pitweasel

    pitweasel Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2007 New York

    I have to disagree. Even just a few years ago, I feel like the majority of people on this site were staunchly anti-can for many reasons, image being one of them. But the problem there was that people in general are simply too hung up on looks, and it takes something really special to make them actually look at something from a different angle.

    First, their favorite beers started getting canned. Then, new beers that were only being sold in cans started become the brews that people were trading their firstborns for.

    Now? Take a casual survey, and you'll find much more widespread support for cans, one reason being that people don't see them as "inferior" from an image standpoint. Now that they've realized that you can sell the best damn beers in the world out of a can (and that they have other benefits), they don't care as much about what the container looks like.

    I will concede, however, that the wine industry will likely not experience a similar shift in public opinion for a very long time.
     
  2. BeerBob

    BeerBob Initiate (0) May 30, 2002 Nebraska

    No, no extra bucks from me for the privilege of drinking beer out of a can. I'm buying the beer and the vessel as a unit, just to get to the contents. I could care less about the container the beer comes in.
     
  3. Treyliff

    Treyliff Grand Pooh-Bah (5,025) Aug 10, 2010 West Virginia
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    Cans used to be cheaper than bottles, when it came to the same beer. At least that's what I always remember seeing.
     
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  4. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    I think you may be right on many aspects but I suspect much of the increased acceptance is due to more and more Millennials being and becoming craft beer drinkers (they are more into cans than those who have been into craft beer for a couple decades or more). I'm just a bit skeptical that there's a big sway of opinion from the latter group of people.

    Who knows... time will tell. I think that longterm you're probably right that cans will become more the norm.
     
  5. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

  6. pinyin

    pinyin Savant (1,119) Sep 19, 2013 New York

    Cans are always less expensive than bottles at Pennsylvania beer distributors.

    Bottle shops like Wegman's though, that can only sell 128 ounces maximum per transaction may see fit to markup cans.

    Cans although they block solar radiation better, don't keep cold as long as bottles.

    I think the Sapporo can is the only one that I would rather have than a bottle because of it's unique thermal properties.

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  7. Zimbo

    Zimbo Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 7, 2010 Scotland
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    In the UK you always pay more for cans.
     
  8. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    People will pay a premium if the quality is higher. I happily pay up to double the price for beer in cask over that in bottles or cans.In terms of value rather than price this is justified.
     
  9. dank203

    dank203 Maven (1,271) May 21, 2012 New Jersey

    cans are just the shit unfortunately...salesmen know this so they CAN charge more. most people will go for it...me personally? ive never been put in the situation to choose. I mostly see the prices the same actually. sculpin is a good example
     
  10. TheRealDBCooper

    TheRealDBCooper Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Svalbard & Jan Mayen Islands

    I will pay more for cans if the product inside is highly perishable like an IPA or pilsner. (Sculpin definitely appears to hold up better in cans.)
     
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  11. CheapHysterics

    CheapHysterics Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2009 Pennsylvania

    shouldn't beer in cans be cheaper? Or at least the same price as an equally sized bottle? That's the way I usually see things here in PA. And no, I wouldn't pay a premium for cans. All other things being equal, I would buy whichever format was cheaper.
     
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  12. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    It's the opposite from what I've seen here in Georgia. Cans of Sculpin cost $1 less than bottles (six pack). It makes an easy choice for me since I prefer cans anyway.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Hopefully someone in the beer industry will chime in to this discussion:

    @Sixpoint, @Peter_Wolfe, @sierranevadabill, @bulletrain76,

    It has been my personal experience in the distant past that BMC type beers were sold cheaper in cans vs. bottles. For example, at a PA beer retail distributor a case of canned Budweiser was priced lower than a case of bottled Budweiser.

    Given todays craft beer market I am guessing that the beer industry thinks the market will be willing to pay more for canned beer? About 1-2 months ago a local beer retailer obtained their first shipment of the canned Firestone Walker beers; they had Union Jack and Easy Jack (no Pivo Pils for some stupid reason). There were no prices on these new products yet. I went to the cash register with a 6-pack of canned Union Jack and a BIG smile on my face. When I got rung up and the dude said: $14.99 the smile quickly went off of my face. I was tempted to pull my credit card back and loudly say: No thanks! That is way too much”. Instead like a zombie I just handed my credit card over.

    I can state that I will never, ever pay 15 bucks for a 6-pack of canned Firestone Walker again. I am unsure who in the beer industry chain (Brewery? Wholesale Distributor? Retailer?) is driving a price of 15 bucks for this beer. For completeness a 6-pack of bottled Union Jack at that retailer is $12.49.

    Cheers!
     
  14. ceeg

    ceeg Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2010 New York

    I work at a bottle shop and know that Firestone cans are cheaper by the case than the bottles. While Ballast Point are the same price bottle/can. I cant imagine why cans would cost more and I would never pay a premium for them myself.
     
  15. tobelerone

    tobelerone Grand Pooh-Bah (4,220) Dec 1, 2010 New Jersey
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    No I wouldn't pay more for cans over bottles. If it were a difference of a dollar or something, and the cans were much fresher, and I REALLY wanted to drink that specific beer then and there, I'd consider it. Otherwise nope.
     
  16. Peter_Wolfe

    Peter_Wolfe Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2013 Oregon

    All else being equal (the beer itself, etc.) cans should be cheaper. For the big brewer, the raw package costs about half as much. For smaller craft guys, that gap is closer but cans are still cheaper to procure. The savings cascade down the supply chain - cans cost considerably less to transport because they weigh so much less - this saves the distributors and retailers a lot of diesel fuel. This is not a small expense! Cans versus bottles can be millions of dollars a year in transport fuel savings.

    If you're being charged more for cans, I imagine it's because of a perceived demand; it has nothing to do with wholesale cost. It's fairly ironic as well, considering bottles used to be the "high class" package, and now people are slowly drifting in the other direction.
     
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  17. Peter_Wolfe

    Peter_Wolfe Initiate (0) Jul 5, 2013 Oregon

    They will. They've already recently gone through their own miniature version of this with crew caps versus cork. Screw caps are superior in every way; you can have a fixed (or no) amount of oxygen ingress, you avoid the possibility of cork taint, you don't need any special tools to open your wine, etc. etc. Despite that, people hung onto corks because of the image; wine folks are even more susceptible to this than beer folks, in my humble opinion. It took a few winemakers ignoring the popular sentiment and using screw caps on wines which scored extremely high to start to change people's minds. Nowadays screw caps are generally accepted and can be found on very popular high-end wines (which would have caused horror not long ago).

    Craft beer in cans is headed down the same path. I imagine we'll see wine in other packages before long; I'm already seeing wine in draft systems, foil packs, and cans in the marketplace. The wine snobs will hold out until there's a wine they "just have to have" in a package they don't like - they'll alter their viewpoint to make it palatable and life will go on.
     
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  18. Crim122

    Crim122 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2014 North Carolina

    I've been going for cans ever since I saw some article about sun light killing beer. That and a lot of public places do not allow glass. Not sure I would switch back to bottles for a few cents saved but it will be interesting to see if the prices truly are different.
     
  19. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,372) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Going to different breweries a few cite one major reason they've started canning: less expensive. Their less expensive to ship and you can ship more in a tractor trailer than bottles. Seems their being less expensive is only beneficial to the brewery and not the end user.
     
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  20. luisfrancisco

    luisfrancisco Zealot (642) Dec 1, 2009 Mexico

    I don't always have Sculpin available to me. However when I have found it, I have consistently found the cans to be better preserved (ie. fresher tasting) than their counterparts in bottles. I love Sculpin and if given the option, for that reason I always go for the canned option when available. I will note that I've always found them at the same price in TX.

    Granted, if really fresh in front of the brewery, I would probably take the bottles because I too, think they give a better image. So to answer OP's question, I would say, I'd even pay a few cents extra for the canned option mainly because of the freshness issue I've found, particularly with Sculpin.
     
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