Can't budge stuck ferm

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  1. Drel

    Drel Zealot (690) Nov 14, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Hi all,

    I need some guidance. I brewed up a scotch ale recipe that started at 1.084 and was supposed to end around 1.020. I had some great fermentation going at the beginning but then things died down and I took a gravity at 2 weeks and it was sitting at 1.030. I left it for another week and got the same reading. I pitched a sachet of S05 with no luck. I built up a starter from a smack pack of scottish ale Wyeast (primary yeast I used), pitched it into the scotch ale when it had krausen and got nothing. No signs of restarted fermentation at any point. My ferm chamber is set to 66 but I will admit it sometimes gets down to 63-64 because it is in the basement. The temp range on the scottish ale yeast says 50-70 though so I assumed I was ok. I also tried rousing the yeast by stirring it up with the end of my mash paddle. The only other thing that I am worried about is that my strike water was far too hot when I went to mash-in. I was using a new thermometer that was not well calibrated which caused me to mash at ~170 for about 5 minutes. I realized it was too high and started adding cold water to get it down. I got it down to 155 pretty quickly.

    Is it done? Do I dump it (I'm worried a liter of yeast starter tanked the flavor)? It was tasting great so it is kind of a bummer that I can't get it going again. I've looked up every resource on stuck fermentations and it looks like souring is the only other thing that I haven't tried but I would rather not.
     
  2. csurowiec

    csurowiec Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 Maryland

    I would say it's done. You could try warming it up into the low 70s but I don't think it will change. The high mash temp is probably to blame. Don't be in a hurry to dump it. Taste it and if it tastes good then package it. Sometimes (not always but sometimes) a beer with a high fg due to elevated mash temp can have a thicker body without tasting overly sweet.
     
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  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Do not dump, bottle or rack to secondary. Which ever you like.
     
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  4. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    It's likely the high temp caused the problem. Here's a pretty good discussion on the topic:
    https://byo.com/mead/item/1543-understanding-enzymes-homebrew-science

    Dropping the ferm temp is also a problem area. You really don't want to drop temperatures once fermentation is cranking along. This is especially true as you approach FG. Ideally you want to raise temps 1 - 5 degrees to keep those little buggers happy.

    That said, you have nothing to lose but some effort if you continue. It's possible it still might be very drinkable. If you are determined to save the batch you might consider blending it another brew (lower FG, higher IBU, etc) to be closer to your goal. FWIW, my scotch ale at one year old is just now starting to taste good.
     
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  5. Drel

    Drel Zealot (690) Nov 14, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I am hoping that the yeast starter addition will fully ferment and then if it is still the same FG then I will try and bottle. I just don't want to be cleaning scotch ale off the walls/ceiling :worried:
     
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  6. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I'd verify that you have the full liquid amount called for by the recipe and its predicted FG. I'd also bring up the temp as mentioned above to see if the yeast like being on the tropical beach.
     
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  7. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    Do anything but dump :slight_smile:

    If I didn't like the taste - I'd personally rack it off into secondary (into the keg in my situation) and put it under some light pressure. Bide my time and taste ever so often. You could also think about some secondary ingredients that might go well with the residual sweetness that may be there,

    Just don't dump!
     
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  8. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I would suspect CO2 coming out of solution threw your FG reading off. I have had this happen many times...to the point where I almost never believe/take a FG anymore...let your taste buds decide if it's done in the future (then again I force carbonate almost everything). You can wait and degas your sample, but I wouldn't bother.
    Also, projected FGs are notoriously lower than actual FGs in some calculators/estimators.
     
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  9. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    Is Beersmith one of the calculators you mention here? I routinely get FGs slightly higher (1.025 vs. predicted 1.020 on a recent imperial stout, for instance) than what BS predicts. I've always assumed it was me not spending enough time detailing my profile and process in the software.
     
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  10. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    With that mash mishap/temp.. she's done.

    You can try a fast ferment test..

    Pull out a couple hundred ML and pitch a tablespoon of bread yeast into it, and put it in the warmest spot of your house. Check a day or 2 later, same FG it's done.
     
  11. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    No shame in missing a target. It happens to a lot of guys.

    Dump it? Child, please.
     
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  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    A big reason for differences between BeerSmith predicted FGs and actual FGs is that BeerSmith doesn't care what your grain bill is when calculating predicted attenuation.
     
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  13. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    Well, that's good to know. Do you know if most programs like that? I'm assuming you've dealt with that with BrewCipher -- I've been meaning to test some recipes to see how it compares.
     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    BC is the only one I know that does. At least it was when I first developed BC. It's the main reason I did it.
     
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  15. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Would it make sense in circumstances like this to pull a quart or so and do something like a forced fermentation -- give it a big pitch, like a sachet of dry yeast, give it a high temp, like 75 or 80 degrees, and see what happens. If those conditions don't budge the gravity, it seems like it would be safe to bottle.
     
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  16. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Yes...but not exactly...after a few or 100s of batches, a fudge factor starts to emerge...and a thoughtful homebrewer starts to take that into account and adjust accordingly. Like @VikeMan says, " BC is the only one...that takes GB into account"
     
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  17. TheBeerery

    TheBeerery Initiate (0) May 2, 2016 Minnesota

    Well my personal software does as well. :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  18. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I'm going to go ahead and agree with this, as Scottish Ale yeast is a notorious underattenuator, even in ideal conditions.

    Curiously, though, what did your grist look like?
     
  19. Drel

    Drel Zealot (690) Nov 14, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Golden promise base, melanoidin, caramunich, caramel 90
     
  20. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Percentages?
     
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