Cantillon Lou Pepe Age Debate

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  1. jaasen64

    jaasen64 Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2012 Massachusetts

    I was at Deep Ellum last night too- if I remember correctly the bartender said that it was brewed in 2009, aged in wooden barrels, and then kegged so it could be brought over here.
     
    #21 jaasen64, Jun 22, 2012
  2. Mavajo

    Mavajo Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2007 Georgia

    Speaking of Cantillon, is there any news about a new round of shipments coming into the States? Or is the current deficiency totally due to overwhelming demand?
     
    #22 Mavajo, Jun 22, 2012
  3. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    I should have asked Max.... Oh well.

    Cantillon could send me a keg once a week directly to my house and Tender wouldn't be satisfied:slight_smile:
     
    #23 tendermorsel, Jun 22, 2012
  4. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Steal Ray's car when he's hand delivering all the Cantillon. He probably stuffs 20+ cases in his trunk.
     
    #24 BearsOnAcid, Jun 22, 2012
  5. tugg407

    tugg407 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Florida
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    The bartender at Monks told me the date on the bottle is when its blended and the date on the cork is when its bottled.
     
    #25 tugg407, Jun 22, 2012
  6. Soonami

    Soonami Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2008 Pennsylvania

    He was wrong. I asked Jean Van Roy to clarify the bottle sticker date and cork date. He said that the sticker date is when the wort is brewed and the cork date is when the beer is bottled (generally, they will sometimes use corks with older bottle years if they have extras). In the case of the 09 LP Kriek, Jean said it was brewed in 09. In 2011, around 200 kg cherries (some Schaerbeek, some from Turkey) were added to a 1000 liter tank and beer racked on top to fill. The beer macerated in the fruit for a couple months and then was bottled later that year.
     
    #26 Soonami, Jun 22, 2012
  7. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    That doesn't even make sense.
     
    #27 BearsOnAcid, Jun 22, 2012
  8. tugg407

    tugg407 Initiate (0) Oct 16, 2010 Florida
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    My bad! I was talking about the Gueze when I said blended.
     
    #28 tugg407, Jun 22, 2012
  9. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    Jack moves... What's he drivin these days? :slight_smile:
     
    #29 tendermorsel, Jun 22, 2012
  10. Soonami

    Soonami Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Same thing with Gueuze. The beer is not blended until right before it's bottled. 09 LP Gueuze is brewed in 2009, blended in 2011 and bottled in 2011
     
    #30 Soonami, Jun 22, 2012
  11. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    I have very reliable intell that the Shelton Bros wharehouse is not air conditioned. I was very suprised with some of the conditions described to me about the warehouse to be frank. Especially for a company that is reputation is built on the quality of the products that they import. I don't want to hate to much on Shelton Bros cause they import some of the best beers (Struise Cantillon ect) in the world and they would not be available here without them.. but for christs sake it 95 degrees with 85 % humidity right now here in New England. I can only imagine how much a non air conditioned warehouse would effect the quality to these beers.
     
    #31 tendermorsel, Jun 22, 2012
  12. Soonami

    Soonami Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Never had a skunked bottle of Cantillon before...
     
    #32 Soonami, Jun 22, 2012
  13. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

     
    #33 tendermorsel, Jun 22, 2012
  14. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Heat doesnt skunk beer. Also please don't bring up skunked lambic around here. Might start a headache
     
    #34 BearsOnAcid, Jun 22, 2012
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  15. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Heat doesn't skunk beer and you can't skunk old hops.
     
    #35 stupac2, Jun 22, 2012
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  16. Soonami

    Soonami Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Just a joke...
     
    #36 Soonami, Jun 22, 2012
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  17. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Pooh-Bah (2,239) Mar 17, 2009 Massachusetts
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    That's not true. Old hops still have some percentage of their alpha acids after aging. Not much but some. If you have alpha acids you get iso-alpha-acid in the boil which is the chemical compound that skunks in UV light.


    If old hops lost all of their alpha acidity I don't think there would be any reason for them to be used.
     
    #37 BearsOnAcid, Jun 22, 2012
  18. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Well, yes, but that means the light exposure you need is that much more.
     
    #38 stupac2, Jun 22, 2012
  19. tendermorsel

    tendermorsel Initiate (0) Oct 22, 2006 Massachusetts

    Direct quote from Tim Webb's Good Beer Guide Belgium 6th Edition

    "They (Cantillon) also confuse a generation of American beer nuts by playing along with the production of a small amount of kegged 'gueze-lambic' for America only."

    Like Stupac2 and I noted above Moder Lambic has a ton of lambic drafts but I cannot say that I ever remember seeing Cantillon on draft anywhere else over there. Also if I remember correctly that many of the drafts at Moder were casked not kegged. Where as I am certain that the LP Kriek that I tried the other day was a keg not a cask.

    I wonder what the difference is between cask lambic and kegged lambic, if there is any.
     
    #39 tendermorsel, Jun 23, 2012
  20. Franch

    Franch Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 District of Columbia

    i also remember moeder being a row of casks, not kegs...
     
    #40 Franch, Jun 23, 2012
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