Capturing bottle dregs

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  1. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    just remembered a few months ago had a nice de grade tasting saved all the dregs put them in a container and stuck em in the freezer. Now planning on brewing a Berliner using those same dregs. Was freezing them the correct thing to do?

    I keep reading everything to do to harvest bottle dregs and freezing them does not pop up at all.
     
  2. TimoP

    TimoP Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2011 Pennsylvania

    You will definitely have a decrease in vitality of the yeast and bacteria you collected. But I would imagine you can still get some fine results, if there is no contamination. Throw some wort in there and see if it gets going.
     
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  3. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    That answer works for me!
     
  4. BalancingBrooms

    BalancingBrooms Pooh-Bah (2,894) Aug 22, 2013 California
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    i dont think you're going to have any viable yeast/bacteria. Water expands when it freezes and will lyse the cell
     
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  5. AngryDutchman

    AngryDutchman Zealot (693) Aug 8, 2015 Pennsylvania

    Agree with BB, not likely to have much live yeast left. In any event you'd have to build it up to pitchable volume so go-ahead and make enough wort for a 12 oz bottle and see if the yeast do anything.
     
  6. AngryDutchman

    AngryDutchman Zealot (693) Aug 8, 2015 Pennsylvania

    For future reference, if you're looking to repitch from bottle dregs timing is always of the essence, especially if you don't know the age of the bottle(s). Before you start drinking, have some prepared, cooled and sealed wort in a jar (or bottle) and when you decant the sourced beer into a glass, pour the dregs into the jar/bottle (open/close the jar quickly to minimize the risk of contamination). Your goal is to get the yeast into the wort and under an airlock as soon as possible. The dregs from a six pack should be sufficient to get working in 8-10 oz of wort in a 12 oz bottle. Once that ferments itself up you can repitch that into a growler of wort for a couple of days prior to brewing your 5-gallon batch. Ideally you'll be moving from the bottle to the growler and then from the growler to the full batch when the yeast is at full krauesen.
     
  7. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Yeah I was slackin on this one daughters first birthday,all my friends bring de garde, by the time we reached the last bottle the great ideas were flowing. Just not well thought out ideas lol
     
  8. Jduche17

    Jduche17 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2015 Canada (QC)

    I have tried to collect Dregs before and i had forgotten them in the freezer for more than a year , they worked out fine after i made a starter you should be fine .
     
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  9. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    It's a common misconception, but Yeast doesn't die if frozen, they just go dormant.
     
  10. TimoP

    TimoP Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Ready, fight!
     
  11. sts9fan

    sts9fan Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2015 Massachusetts

    Some will die and some will live. The faster you freeze them the better. A very good way is dipping a tube in a ethanol bath with dry ice in it. It's not the expansion but the crystal formation. Flash freezing prevents the crystals. Ymmv
     
  12. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Just to protect myself before someone jumps on it, the comment above was in reference to regular freezer temperatures, healthy yeast to start with, and short-to-medium-term storage. I also don't mean to insinuate that the yeast doesn't die at all, but rather that there will be enough left alive that you don't have to worry too much about it. :stuck_out_tongue:

    (Ideally you want to add a cryprotectant, but that's more applicable to commercial qty & scale)


    Actually, if what I've read is correct, the opposite is true. Flash freezing results in less viable yeast cells than reducing the temperature slowly. I'm not over the exact process, but slow freezing prevents the yeast from going into 'shock', and allows them to go dormant. Flash freezing shocks the yeast and can kill them off definitely.
     
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  13. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Sounds like in a nutshell I'll be ok. Results will vary. Should definitely not rely on just the frozen dregs of 6 bottles.
     
  14. sts9fan

    sts9fan Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2015 Massachusetts

    I'm just going to post one of many results when searching "yeast freezing protocol"
    http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/technical-documents/protocols/biology/yeast-growth-protocols.html

    Key points are fast freeze. There is no shock because it's fast. This is the same reason you thaw cells as fast as possible. Second, use a cryoprotectant. Third, home freezers(-20C) are ok but you are better putting them in a non cycling unit like a chest freezer. This pretty standard cell handling stuff.
     
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  15. puftdank

    puftdank Savant (1,061) Sep 13, 2011 Illinois

    Check to see if the brewery that made the beer you liked used the same yeast at bottling. Some places use a champagne yeast for bottle conditioning.
     
  16. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    The list on mad fermentalist says de garde has both Brett and bacteria in all bottles.I'm assuming that means good to go. This will be the first time I'm trying this so if I'm off someone please stear me in the right direction.
     
  17. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    There is really only one way to find out... give them some wort!
     
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