Carared?

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  1. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Has anyone else used this, and what did it add to your beer? My brewing software doesn't have it listed, but I was thinking it would add color similar to 40 crystal. Looking at using a smidge in my next IPA.
     
  2. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

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  3. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2006 Iowa

    Its lighter than c-40, more like c-20 and isn't red at all. I used it in the famous Denny Conn Waldo Lake Amber recipe first. It was pretty good but I can bet that if it wasn't so highly hopped it would have had a candy like sweetness that would not be so great in too high of levels (the flavor is candy like). I've used it in smaller amounts (that recipe uses 2lbs IIRC) and it was pretty similar to other crystal malts at lower levels. I think a .5lb in an IPA would be tasty.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    This is the CaraRed that I have used last year in making a Spicy & Smokey Brown Ale:

    “Weyermann® CaraRed®

    20° L. Provides fuller body and imparts a deep, saturated red color, particularly to red ales and lagers, Scottish ales, bocks and Altbiers”

    I really can’t contribute much in terms of what it provides since I had a lot going on in that Brown Ale:

    · ¼ lb. each of CaraRed, Dark Crystal & Chocolate

    · 1 lb. of Weyermann Smoked Malt

    · 1 lb. of Briess Rye Malt

    And base malt to get an OG = 1.049.

    Cheers!
     
  5. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    I will be making a red this weekend. I will be using this malt bill (different hop bill). I am hoping for a good color.


    Amount Item Type % or IBU
    8.75 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 88.61 %
    0.50 lb Caramel Malt - 60L (Briess) (60.0 SRM) Grain 5.06 %
    0.50 lb Carared (Weyermann) (24.0 SRM) Grain 5.06 %
    0.13 lb Roasted Barley (Briess) (300.0 SRM) Grain 1.27 %
    1.00 oz Fuggles [4.50 %] (90 min) Hops 14.0 IBU
    0.50 oz Goldings, East Kent [4.10 %] (30 min) Hops 5.1 IBU
    0.50 oz Goldings, East Kent [4.10 %] (15 min) Hops 3.3 IBU
    1.00 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
    1 Pkgs Irish Ale (Wyeast Labs #1084) Yeast-Ale
     
  6. clearbrew

    clearbrew Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2009 Louisiana

    My recipe calculator has an SRM of 20.
    I've only used it once with some other dark malts. The final beer had a bit of a red hue to it, but it would be hard to say what it actually contributed to the beer (I would have to brew the same batch without it). I had .5 # in a 5 gal batch.
     
  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    My recipe will be as follows...
    6.0 lbs 2 row
    6.0 lbs munich
    1.0 lb cara red
    followed by a barrage of Chinook, citra, and centennial. Hoping it gives a malty back bone to the brew. We'll see. I'm treating it like crystal at this point.
     
  8. jlpred55

    jlpred55 Initiate (0) Jul 26, 2006 Iowa


    That should be good but you will get the red color from the roasted mostly but obviously the other malts will contribute some. Looks like a nice english pale ale type recipe.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Please report back on your beer. That recipe looks like an Imperial Amber (e.g., Nugget Nectar type beer) to me.

    Cheers!
     
  10. TNGabe

    TNGabe Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2012 Tennessee

    I've used Castle CaraRuby in my flanders reds, but I now that I look at the two malts side by side, I don't think they are the same thing. Cystal/cara and all the roasted malts are so different from maltster to maltster and all the special names don't help either.
     
  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    You talkin to me?
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yup!

    Cheers!
     
  13. itsjustzach

    itsjustzach Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2006 Ohio

    It definitely doesn't impart a deep red color on its own. I've used it a few times in IPAs for color as I've found it to make a more fermentable wort than regular crystal.
     
  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Just wanted to give a heads up, I got the red going and just dryhopped it today. I went with:
    6.5lb munich
    6.5lb pale malt
    1lb carared
    I followed the original recipe except I used amarillo instead of centennial. I stole a taste of it before dryhopping and its better flavored than most ipa's I have brewed. The munich gives a great malt backbone, but the hops really pop with it. I am bottling next week, more info in about a month.
     
  15. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Munich malt solves every brewing problem there is. It even helped Captain Kirk beat the no-win scenario. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  16. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    I use it quite often. It does impart a decidedly red color, but only at percentages above 3 -5% of the grist, at which range you get an orange tinged beer. 5%+ of grist and you will see a very red beer. It's from Weyermann in Germany, and it's basically, IMO, a reddish version of Munich malt. It comes out similar to C40, but it's got more of that caramel flavor you'd except from Munich malt. SFACRKnight, if you'd substituted Pils malt for the Pale malt you used, you'd basically have a Märzen, but with a nice American hop/citrus punch to it. But by using the Pale malt, it brings in a more British malt profile. I use this, Munich and Pale malts, combo a lot and find it a great complement to American hops. The fruity nose/flavor of Amarillo compliment the caramel of the Munich to give it a flavor you will really enjoy.
     
  17. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Here are the "stats" listed for this grain in my brewing software (beersmith 2.0), in case you want to add it to your brewing software:

    Weyerman Carared
    24 SRM
    potential 1.036
    yield 77.9%
    coarse fine difference 1.5%
    moisture 6.2%
    Diastatic Power 0.0 Lintner
    Protein 0.0
    Max in Batch 25%
     
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  18. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Thanks for your input on this. The beer is decidedly amber, not as red as I had hoped for. I used citra, amarillo, and chinook, .5 oz of each at 15, 10, 5 and upped to a full oz of each at flameout with a 60 min hopstand. I just added an oz of each as a dryhop for this week and will be bottling her up next weekend, the bit I tasted was great, I can't wait to see how this beer pans out.
     
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  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Allright jack, here's the straight dope, or maybe just a dope giving it to you straight. Anyway.. carared does not give a red hue. At all. One bit. The recipe for night of the living red imperial amber went as follows...
    46.4% 2row
    46.4% munich
    7.1% carared
    .8oz magnum at 60
    10min .5oz of citra, amarillo, chinook
    5min .5 oz of the same
    0min 1 oz of citra, amarillo, chinook 30 min hopstand
    Dryhopped with an oz of each for two weeks after reaching terminal gravity.
    I was aiming for 1.060 and hit 1.071 instead. The munich gives a bready backbone to this beer, but the cara red givves me nothing really as far as flavor goes. I do, however, really like the way this turned out. The amarillo and chinook really dial back the cattiness of the citra and let the tangerine and mango come through. Its a success, but not for the carared. I may use a debittered black or chocolate next time to bring the color plus a touch of c60 for some sweetness to balance this guy out.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The good news is that you are happy with how you beer turned out.

    Your beer had 46.4% Munich malt. I am by no means a Carared expert but I would suspect that having something like 50% of your grist being Munich malt would affect the color of the overall beer.

    Maybe for your next batch you could use 100% Best Malz Red X Malt.

    Cheers!
     
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