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CBS or KH

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by mateuszekxxpl, Jan 31, 2013.

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CBS vs KH

Poll closed Feb 2, 2013.
  1. CBS

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  2. KH

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  1. mateuszekxxpl

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    I was wondering people's opinion on what beer they would rather have in their cellar-- a KH or CBS. Currently I have a CBS and was offered a KH 1:1 trade. From what I have heard, the maple is pretty much all gone in the CBS while the Bourbon is holding strong in the KH. Just curious about this and hopefully I can get my mind cleared. Thanks guys and cheers!
     
  2. OakedCanuck

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    I've had both recently and KH has held up way better. Just my opinion.
     
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    ^ I second OakedCanuck's statement. I had both about a week apart in December and KH has held up so much better.
     
  4. MordorMongo

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    I can't believe there isn't a "Neither, I trade my wales, bruh!" option. For shame man, for shame.
     
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  5. Anonymous1

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    My bottles of CBS and KH have been in the fridge for the past few 3-4 months, neither is getting any better. You really don't want to sit on these.
     
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    <--- will accept any bottles of either beer that people are afraid are going downhill.
     
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    I think the cellaring conditions that these bottles were kept in will play a huge factor in this (I know, duh). But, I had a CBS not too long ago and thought it was still really good and still comparable to how it tasted a year ago. As for KH, I'm bringing a bottle to the Foothills Sexual Chocolate release on Saturday, so I'll report back on its condition then :)
     
  8. gpawned

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    King Henry still tastes amazing. I didn't notice any change from about 8 months ago. Maybe it has changed from what it was fresh but there ain't nothing wrong with KH. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
     
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    That may be true...but thinner than thick...it is still pretty thick. Less barrel...sure. still plenty there, though. I never got to taste it fresh, its still one of the best beers around. I pray for a time machine to go back and taste KH fresh before I die.
     
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    "Even if you do get a KH, it will never taste as good as it did for me."

    Always remember that.
     
  11. gpawned

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    I'm a pretty creative guy but I can't even imagine KH being more than 15% better than it is now.
     
  12. gpawned

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    Also...2011 bourbon county is amazing right now too. I didn't expect to like it better than 12 which is also great. Seems goose makes some brews that stand the test of time pretty darn well. 2011 KBS was a giant disappointment last week.makes me worry about the CBS coming my way.
     
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    I hear you on the BCBS '11. I think it's the best they've done since '08. Drinking one right now.

    As far as KBS goes, drink half of your bottles fresh, then the other half at 8-12 months. Outside of a year I've found that KBS falls apart (thin body with very little barrel character).

    Also had one of my last bottles of KH this week. Sorry folks, but it's really a shadow of what it was fresh and even what it was several months ago.....which led me to take the out of the cellar and into the fridge. Still a good beer, just nothing all that much better than the other BBBW's out there.
     
  14. gpawned

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    At least I don't have the disappointment of comparing KH now to KH fresh. I just get to enjoy it that much more than you can.
     
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    I agree about the KBS, the barrel fades fast. even at 8 months I was disappointed with it. I plan to treat KBS like IPAs.

    Sorry, even a very small man (like King Henry) can cast a very large shadow. In the process of a mutli session barleywine tasting and KH drinks like a giant among men. I will say that comparing KH to most BBBWs is tough because it carrys so much of that BCBS flavor and is so distinct. BB4D is the only thing I've tried that was comparable.
     
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    Fresh - CBS. Aged - KH.
     
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    I have some maple syrup for your CBS if you're interested.
     
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    Curious as to what you mean when you say this. Do you mean the body has thinned out? If so, how does that happen? I've never experienced this.
     
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    Just had a large mostly-barreled barleywine tasting (too large, probably, but the King Henry was early), and IMO it still blew everything out of the water. I had a bottle fresh, and I'll admit this one was a bit different from my memory, but it was sublime. Caramel and vanilla swirled deliciously.
     
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    Wait... there are people who DRANK their CBS and/or KH?
     
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    Did the same a few weeks ago and I totally agree (edit: if you amend the "blew everything out of the water...to almost everything).

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    Including this part of the tasting blind:

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    EDIT: Parts 2 and 3 of this tasting are upcoming because there was so many BWs we didn't get to in the first session.
     
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    Out of curiosity was Kuhnhenn BBBW part of that?

    I won't say it is better than KH as that is subjective, but I find it hard to swallow KH *blew it out of the water*.
     
  23. gpawned

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    I was going to say that the other top 5 were fantastic and my #2 was BB4D (unfortunately we didn't have a BBBW) and the "blew it out of the water part is only true for most of what we tried. Not sure if Auror felt the same way.
     
  24. Auror

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    No, but it had Leon, BA Church on a Hill, '09 Perfect Storm, Seared Palate, Sucaba, BA Naked Evil, among many other things.
     
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    Yeah of those I would say BA Church was best but so different from KH would indeed be hard to compare.

    Next time find a Kuhnhenn! ;)
     
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    Sorry for the off-topic but what did you think of BA Hi-Fi vs KH vs Sucaba? KH and Sucaba are two of my favorites and I've got a bottle of B1 BA Hi-Fi sitting there.
     
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    But, surely

     
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    His comment is not about BA HiFi being better because of age. He is commenting that BA HiFi b1 was better right out of the gate. Fresh batch 1 > fresh batch 2 and the quality difference is such that batch 1 is still better.

    edit: or so I think that is his point.
     
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    Whiff.
     
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    I drank a batch 1 last week and it was still amazing, FWIW.
     
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    Not surprised you are the leading poster of this thread...
     
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    [​IMG]

    Were some King Henry's sealed in wax?
     
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