Cellar is warm - cause for concern?

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by Hop-Droppen-Roll, Jun 27, 2014.

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  1. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    I know this has been covered in past threads, but in reading them, I still feel like I'd like to share my concerns. I'm fairly new to this.

    For a little while now, with the warmer weather here in Minnesota, my cellar has warmed up considerably. This morning around 6:10 AM when I peeked at my thermometer, it was in the mid to upper 60s. I suspect it's warmer than that now at 1:00 PM. Here's some insight into why I'm a little concerned - last night I pulled one of my Bigfoots. It's from the most recent release but has been down there for a few months. I understand that a) hops aroma and brightness will drop off after some time, and b) many people love cellaring Bigfoot for many years at a time - why did this one seem so underwhelming? I didn't expect the hops to drop off THAT much, but at the same time, while knowing that they will only drop off more with time, what is the desired effect that keeping this beer in storage will have after a handfull of trips around the sun? Will the 'improvement' or 'sometimes desirable changes' occur after an initial drop-off in deliciousness?

    Is the temperature of my cellar wrecking the beer I started collecting down there last year?

    Edit: I never have had Bigfoot before this batch. I fell heavy into craft beer around october/november last year, and yes, I'm that noob who shows up and immediately starts hoarding and building a cellar (it's not that big).
     
  2. Stevedore

    Stevedore Grand Pooh-Bah (5,096) Nov 16, 2012 Oregon
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    Buy a minifridge. Or a winefridge.
     
  3. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    We have an old fridge in the basement that came with the house - I just would rather not plug it in and add that much to the electricity bill each month unless absolutely necessary. Money's tight - I haven't even been buying beer! :grimacing:
     
  4. jstout26

    jstout26 Pundit (796) May 30, 2013 New Hampshire
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    Would using the fridge, even without plugging it in, help? Seems like it would still insulate the beer from temperature fluctuations/getting too warm. Or do you already use it like that?
     
  5. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    Good idea! No I have not tried it, it's all in the darkest, coolest room in the basement. My only concern would be the bombers, not sure how I'd squeeze them in. Maybe I could take out one of the shelves.
     
  6. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    But aside from possible solutions - does anyone think the temperature is having a negative effect on the beer? Some of it I'd like to save for a long time.
     
  7. jstout26

    jstout26 Pundit (796) May 30, 2013 New Hampshire
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    Obviously it's not an ideal environment for aging but aside from finding a way to keep them at ~55˚ I don't think there is much more you can do and the main thing the warmer temperatures will affect is the rate at which they age. It'll increase the rate of aging a little, but I don't think it'll be very significant. I keep my collection of bottles in a normal/livable basement in New England so it seems they would be similar.
     
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  8. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    slightly faster aging almost seems like a positive...
     
  9. Ol_Johnny_Skippelwicky

    Ol_Johnny_Skippelwicky Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2013 Minnesota

    I think it depends mainly on how quickly the temperature has risen. My cellar (i.e., crawl-space) ebbs from 45 in the winter to 65 in the summer, but that change is really gradual and I have not noticed a negative effect. If the temperature is changing 10 degrees in a day, that may be more of an issue. I am in the same boat as you where I have an old fridge but don't want to spend too much on electricity. I keep the beers I want coldest closer to the cement slab but otherwise I don't worry too much about it.

    Another option you can consider is utilizing insulation to slow down the temperature swings. I'm not sure how much you have in your cellar, but some coolers might do you wonders.
     
  10. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    So what about my experience with the Bigfoot?
     
  11. Pwbres

    Pwbres Initiate (0) Mar 25, 2013 Maine

    I've been attempting to cellar some of my stouts over the past 6 months and I've come to a crossroad. Prior to these past two weeks my basement has been relatively cool, but lately the heat and humidity has been rising. I'm worried that my small collection could see some negative effects and I'm not sure what my best course of action is. As of last night my basement has risen to as high as 78-80 degrees. For the time being I've brought my bottles into my bedroom with the A/C (probably around 67 degrees) and I'm trying to decide what to do next. I have a 4 pack of KBS, Founders breakfast stout, some local stouts, and I just found a bottle of Parabola today. There is a fridge in the basement that I could utilize but I'm not sure if it will be too cold for aging? I'll drink them if I have to but I was just wondering if you guys may have some go-to methods. Thanks!
     
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  12. tx_beer_man

    tx_beer_man Pundit (902) Jan 22, 2013 Texas
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    (not really the answer you're looking for) Welllll you're better off drinking the KBS and FBS....also the Parabola. Those are all great fresh. Parabola does well with age but you're not going to have a huge difference besides a drop off. And yeah, don't f with the heat.
     
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  13. Davepoolesque

    Davepoolesque Pooh-Bah (2,686) Aug 25, 2012 Massachusetts
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    I think you'll be ok as long as the basement sees a steady increase in heating and cooling, not a quick spike in temperature. For the humidity part, you can hang some of those things(DampRid) that pull the moisture out of the air. Anything you're overly concerned with drink now or put in the fridge.
     
  14. Pwbres

    Pwbres Initiate (0) Mar 25, 2013 Maine

    Thanks guys! I threw what I have into my basement fridge and set it to a lower (warmer) setting. I've heard Parabola does ok around 40 degrees but more than likely I'll look to pop it open within the next couple of weeks, same with the rest. Lots of great info here and I'll make sure to utilize it in the future. Thanks again and cheers!
     
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  15. nkelley77

    nkelley77 Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2013 Massachusetts

    That is what I do. I it stays a pretty constant temperature year round. It is about 55 to 60 degrees though which is a hair too warm.
     
  16. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    I was under the impression that 55-60 is perfect, isn't that what Beer 101 says?

    Edit: I checked. 50 - 55 is ideal - a little warmer is no problem, as far as I'm concerned.
     
  17. RDMII

    RDMII Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    There really is no rule/law for cellaring. Everyone's experiences will differ, and the guy who aged his beer at 55 might have preferred it at 60 if he had done so. Cool and dark are the main things. Cool can be 65 degrees, that's cooler than most homes when the A/C is running. Obviously nothing is ideal besides a nice, dry wine fridge, but that's not an option for most people.

    As far as the Bigfoot, I've found it vastly different over all vintages. There's no way to tell how a beer will taste without knowing it's initial history. I've had 2008 before that was great, and 2009 that was a drain pour. You likely had a bad bottle based on all sorts of things you couldn't have known, I wouldn't think a slightly warm basement killed it so fast. I've had a 2001 that was still a bitter bomb, so your bottle might have been dead before you got it.

    Also, people's palates are always different so gauging how a beer will taste in X time based on a stranger's opinion is kind of silly. Until I find someone who shares my likes and agrees with most of my reviews, everything I hear/read is just useless. Open another one and see what it does. If it's the same, you can assume you either don't like that particular beer, or that particular 4pk was stored poorly before buying.
     
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  18. Hop-Droppen-Roll

    Hop-Droppen-Roll Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Minnesota

    That's the thing - I had a couple when it was more fresh, and they kicked ass.
     
  19. luisfrancisco

    luisfrancisco Zealot (642) Dec 1, 2009 Mexico

    I've also had underwhelming experiences with aged Bigfoot. I recently opened a 2013 and did not like it very much. I found it was still bitter, but without the flavour/aroma of hops. This resulted in my opinion in an imbalanced brew. My thoughts were, I should probably let it age one more year and see if the bitterness fades, resulting in a more "Englishy" barley wine. If it still tastes like the one year beer, I will probably never again age bigfoot, and just consume them fresh.
     
  20. denali55421

    denali55421 Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2010 Minnesota

    IMO most beers "kick ass" when fresh!! Much like you I wanted to try aging beers. It's a learning process ....A couple successes, but mostly disappointment. I now only age a few stouts/barleywines but mainly only sours. If a beer tasted kick ass fresh then drink it fresh!!! Don't expect magic from aging, expect change. It's all personal taste but I'd say 98% of beer tastes better fresh!!
     
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