Cellar list - Age or Pull

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  1. Javier2000

    Javier2000 Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2015 California

    My wine locker recently reached capacity and I need to free up some space and was looking to the community to see if there are certain bottles I should just take out as aging them is either pointless, redundant or hurting the overall flavor. Any help is greatly appreciated, Thanks!

    Beer Cellar

    (1) 3F Dark Lord '16
    (1) 3F Dark Lord '15
    (1) 3F Conquistador De La Muerte '15
    (1) 3F BA Alpha Klaus

    (1) 3 Fonteinen Kriek '16
    (1) 3 Fonteinen Intense Red '16

    (1) Alesmith SS Mexican
    (2) Alesmith BA SS '16
    (1) Alesmith BA SS '15
    (1) Alesmith Noble Empire '16
    (1) Alesmith BA Vietnamese SS '16

    (1) Ballast Point V@S BA Heaven Hill
    (2) Ballast Point V@S BA Woodford
    (1) Ballast Point BA Sea Monster

    (1) Bottle Logic Ideation '15
    (3) Bottle Logic DSN '15
    (6) Bottle Logic DSN '16
    (3) Bottle Logic Redeye November '16
    (3) Bottle Logic Leche Borracho '16
    (3) Bottle Logic Ground State '16
    (4) Bottle Logic FO '16
    (1) Bottle Logic Stronger Than Fiction '16
    (3) Bottle Logic Picture if you Will '16
    (5) Bottle Logic Space Trace '16
    (4) Bottle Logic Dark Wanderer
    (4) Bottle Logic Hordric's

    (1) Bruery Chocolate Rain '14
    (1) Bruery Chocolate Rain '15
    (1) Bruery Mocha Wednesday '16
    (3) Bruery Black Tuesday '16
    (2) Bruery Black Tuesday '15
    (2) Bruery Black Tuesday '14
    (1) Bruery Black Tuesday Reserve
    (1) Bruery Grey Monday '15

    (2) Cantillon Kriek '16
    (1) Cantillon Iris '16
    (1) Cantillon Rose '16
    (1) Cantillon Fou Foune '16
    (1) Cantillon Lou Pepe Gueuze '13
    (1) Cantillon Grand Cru '14
    (1) Cantillon Grand Cru '13

    (2) Crux BA Tough Love '16
    (1) Crux BA Tough Love '15
    (2) Crux BA Tough Love '14
    (1) Crux BA Tough Love '13

    (1) Deschutes BBP XXVIII
    (1) Deschutes BBP XXVII
    (2) Deschutes BBP XXVI
    (2) Deschutes BBP XXV
    (1) Deschutes BBP XXIV
    (2) Deschutes Abyss Rye '15
    (2) Deschutes Abyss Cognac '15
    (2) Deschutes Abyss '15
    (1) Deschutes Abyss '14
    (1) Deschutes Collage 2

    (1) Eclipse BA Vanilla '15
    (2) Eclipse BA Vanilla '16

    (1) Epic Big Bad Baptista
    (1) Epic Double Barrel Baptist

    (1) Evil Twin BA Imperial Biscotti '15
    (1) Evil Twin Double Barrel Jesus
    (1) Evil Twin Michigan Maple Jesus

    (4) Founders KBS '15
    (8) Founders KBS '16

    (4) Fremont BA KDS '16
    (4) Fremont BA KDS '15
    (1) Fremont BA KDS '14
    (1) Fremont BA Abominable '16
    (1) Fremont BA Abominable '15
    (1) Fremont BA Abominable '13
    (7) Fremont CCBA Abominable '16
    (1) Fremont CCBA Abominable '15
    (2) Fremont BA Coffee KDS '16
    (1) Fremont BA Coffee KDS '15
    (4) Fremont BA Spice Wars KDS '16
    (1) Fremont The First Nail '15
    (3) Fremont Rusty Nail '16
    (1) Fremont Ancient One KDS '16
    (1) Fremont Ancient One BBomb '16

    (2) FW Imperial Smoked Porter '16
    (1) FW PNC '13
    (1) FW Parabajava '16
    (2) FW Parabola '12
    (2) FW Parabola '13
    (2) FW Parabola '14
    (2) FW Parabola '15
    (4) FW Parabola '16
    (1) FW Double DBA '12
    (2) FW Double DBA '13
    (1) FW Double DBA '14
    (4) FW Rye DDBA '16
    (1) FW Stickee Monkee '14
    (2) FW Stickee Monkee '15
    (3) FW Stickee Monkee '16
    (2) FW Velvet Merkin '13
    (2) FW Velvet Merkin '15
    (2) FW Velvet Merkin '16
    (1) FW Helldorado '15
    (1) FW Helldorado '16
    (3) FW Anniversary 20
    (0) FW Anniversary 19
    (1) FW Anniversary 18
    (0) FW Anniversary 17
    (1) FW Anniversary 16
    (1) FW BW Violet Underground B1
    (1) FW BW La Piccola Pope Di B1
    (1) FW BW La Piccola Virtuosa B1
    (4) FW BW Sloambic B2
    (1) FW BW Krieky Bones B2
    (3) FW BW Krieky Bones B3
    (1) FW BW Champs de Fraises B1
    (1) FW BW Peachy Bones B1
    (1) FW BW Zin Skin B1
    (1) FW BW Bretta Rose B2
    (1) FW BW Bretta Rose B3
    (1) FW BW Feral One B1
    (1) FW BW Feral One B2
    (1) FW BW Feral One B3
    (1) FW BW Feral Vinifera B2
    (1) FW BW Feral Vinifera B3
    (1) FW BW Bretta Weisse B2
    (1) FW BW Bretta Weisse B3
    (1) FW BW Lil Opal B2
    (1) FW BW Sour Opal B2
    (4) FW BW Huck Yeah B1
    (1) FW BW El Gordo B2
    (1) FW BW Agrestic B3
    (1) FW BW Ten Buck Chuck B1
    (1) FW BW Feral Peach B1

    (1) Goose Island Cthulhu '16
    (2) Goose Island BCBS '13
    (3) Goose Island BCBS '14
    (6) Goose Island BCBS '15
    (2) Goose Island BCBCS '14
    (6) Goose Island BC Regal Rye '15
    (5) Goose Island BC Rare '15
    (1) Goose Island BC Prop '14
    (2) Goose Island BC VR '14

    (1) Hanger 24 Pugachevs '16
    (1) Hanger 24 Pugachevs Maple '16
    (3) Hanger 24 Pugachevs Royals '16
    (1) Hanger 24 Pugachevs Rum '16
    (1) Hanger 24 Pugachevs Royale '15
    (1) Hanger 24 Immelmann '13
    (1) Hanger 24 Laval '16

    (1) Lost Abbey Track 10
    (1) Lost Abbey Framboise '15
    (2) Lost Abbey Framboise '16
    (2) Lost Abbey Framboise 750 '16
    (2) Lost Abbey Veritas 018

    (1) MT Devils Teeth BA Mezcal '15
    (2) MT Devils Teeth BA '16
    (1) MT Devils Teeth BA Orange '16
    (1) MT Monsters Park BA/Barbados
    (1) MT Monsters Park BA/Nicaragua
    (1) MT Monsters Park Tequila/Vanilla

    (3) North Coast BA Old Rasputin XVII
    (2) North Coast BA Old Rasputin XVI

    (1) Perrenial Abraxas '16

    (2) Port Brewing Churchills Finest '16
    (1) Port Brewing Churchills Finest '15

    (2) Prairie BA Bomb '15
    (3) Prairie Pirate Bomb '16
    (1) Prairie Pirate Noir
    (1) Prairie Vanilla Noir
    (2) Prairie Apple Brandy Noir

    (1) RR Supplication '15
    (1) RR Supplication '16

    (1) Saint Archer BA Coconut Stout
    (2) Saint Archer BA Porter Mexican
    (1) Saint Archer BA Porter Brandy

    (1) Sierra Nevada Rum Narwhal '16
    (1) Sierra Nevada Bourbon Narwhal '16
    (1) Sierra Nevada BA Narwhal '15
    (1) Sierra Neveda BA Narwhal '14

    (1) Smog City BA Infinite Wishes '16
    (1) Smog City BA Infinite Wishes '15
    (1) Smog City Bourbon OE '15
    (1) Smog City Bourbon OE '16
    (2) Smog City Buzzworthy '16

    (1) Taps Pappy's Remy '13

    (1) Tilquin Gueuze '13
     
    #1 Javier2000, Jan 20, 2017
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  2. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Damn that's a long list.

    I've had Abraxas and Bomb when fresh, and I don't think I'd age those beers - the coffee, chili, cinnamon flavors are what make those beers, so I wouldn't want them to fade.
     
    #2 jmdrpi, Jan 20, 2017
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  3. skiking70

    skiking70 Pundit (825) Sep 23, 2014 Maryland
    Trader

    I was going to say the exact same thing. The coffee can also change flavor a bit and give a Pepper flavor over time.
     
    #3 skiking70, Jan 20, 2017
  4. toolbrew

    toolbrew Pooh-Bah (1,600) Feb 26, 2008 Indiana
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Black Butte 24, 25 and 26 - Especially if you have two 25 and 26. I have back to 23 and just pulled them up from the cellar - was recently advised the 23 has fallen off and the others aren't far behind.
     
    #4 toolbrew, Jan 20, 2017
  5. Javier2000

    Javier2000 Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2015 California

    I will probably wait and pull the 16 abraxas just because I have a 15 and 16 in my in home "cellar" already, maybe pull it in the summer when I'm missing that style the most. Didn't know about Black Butte will definitely pull extras of those. Seems to be similar to Abyss I find that hits it's sweet spot at 2-3 years and beyond 4 years I don't find agreeable
     
    #5 Javier2000, Jan 20, 2017
  6. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I've in general come to the conclusion that most Stouts don't really improve past 3 years or so, and many are better fresh.

    I've switched to only adding Barleywines and Belgian Darks to my cellar (I don't really drink sours).
     
    #6 jmdrpi, Jan 20, 2017
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  7. 1beerbaron

    1beerbaron Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 Ohio

    I just want to comment that in the online beer world:
    3F = 3 Fonteinen
    FFF = Three Floyds

    *Not trying to be an ass, just trying to help prevent confusion later for you.
     
    #7 1beerbaron, Jan 20, 2017
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  8. 1beerbaron

    1beerbaron Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 Ohio

    So I'm going to just keep the ones I can comment on.

     
    #8 1beerbaron, Jan 20, 2017
  9. Heretic42

    Heretic42 Savant (1,118) Aug 31, 2011 Texas

    I'd pull all the Velvet Merkin, KBS, and all the Prairie. I'd probably pull Prop as well (or just trade it and DIY with a french press + BCBS).

    I'd pull Baptista soon, but I enjoyed its spice profile fresh.
     
    #9 Heretic42, Jan 20, 2017
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  10. Javier2000

    Javier2000 Initiate (0) Nov 28, 2015 California

    I know I thought about changing it recently when I dropped some 3F into my cellar but than I remembered I'm lazy and I know what it means

    Yeah I'm figuring out what I want to do with the Prop 14, frankly I had it side by side with Desperado and I preferred Desperado. Best scenario is package it and upgrade to have 13 one more time or something similar. I will probably pull KBS and Prairie slowly as needed over the year just because I still have 5-6 bottles each and I still have too much VM at my house to drink (2-3 bottles). I really just need to cut back on bottles in general. Same with Baptista I still have 2 at home so figured I would see what a year did to it.
     
    #10 Javier2000, Jan 20, 2017
  11. Heady_Eddy

    Heady_Eddy Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2015 Massachusetts

    IMO if you are trying to "free up space" I'd drink / off the following

    Sierra
    Founders
    Evil Twin
    Epic
    Smog City
    Prairie
    Firestone Walker (hold onto your favorites & parabola vert)

    That should open some more space for you but if you feel the need to let go of any Cantillon, Bottle Logic, Fremont, Hanger 24 I along with many would be interested.
     
    #11 Heady_Eddy, Jan 21, 2017
  12. RDMII

    RDMII Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    This looks more like a 'look what I have' than a 'what should I open' list. Honestly with your collection you should already have some serious ideas on what you should open and what should wait unless you're just buying beers to buy them because it's cool. I think anyone dropping that kind of money should have a very good understanding of cellaring beforehand.
     
    #12 RDMII, Jan 21, 2017
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  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Anything with flavoring would be gone by now if that was my cellar. Spices, chiles, vanilla, and coffee fade fast, and coffee throws shitty flavors as it oxidizes. One beer I would also pull strictly off of how goddamned good it is fresh is DBBBB. That beer is amazeballs right now.
    But seriously, anyone with a cellar like that knows this.
     
    #13 SFACRKnight, Jan 23, 2017
  14. MOVERTON1284

    MOVERTON1284 Initiate (0) Jul 23, 2014 Alabama

    I would focus on the stouts with adjuncts, as they will fall off the quickest. You have a lot in this category so that should get you started
     
    #14 MOVERTON1284, Jan 23, 2017
  15. MtnSoup

    MtnSoup Initiate (0) May 20, 2013 Colorado

    I feel bad for someone that collects this much beer...and doesn't personally know which to drink...sort of a waste. I've got more than this, and just have two cases that are in the 'drink me' category...don't know anyone else that's informed with this problem. Not trying to be a dick, but that's my two cents.
     
    #15 MtnSoup, Jan 23, 2017
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  16. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    Had a '14 Black Tuesday recently and, while it was certainly still great, you could tell it had been sitting because there was a bit of oxidative quality that wasn't complementing the rest of the flavor profile well. I would drink that one.

    I also had a Deschutes BBP XXIV that was part of a vertical and it was not as good as when fresh for sure. Oxidized and the adjuncts were muted. I can't remember what the other vintages were and how they tasted because that was the only one that stuck out in my mind due to the fact that it was the only one I'd had prior to the tasting, so I was able to compare it to my notes from when I reviewed it.

    I've had BA Narwhal with a year on it and it was just as good, if not better, than when fresh.

    I have a '15 BA Speedway that I plan on drinking sometime soon and can report back here when I do. Same with '14 BCBS but, given that beer's track record for how well it ages, I think you can assuredly let that one ride.

    Oh and I had '15 Fremont CCBA Abominable recently and it was absolutely disgusting, so you should probably just go ahead and send that one to me. Wouldn't want you to have to go through the horror of drinking it @Javier2000 :slight_smile:
     
    #16 Immortale25, Jan 23, 2017
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  17. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Not saying it's necessarily the case here, but looking at some of the banter here in the forums - it seems like some people go on huge buying sprees before they consider - "oh shit, can I really drink all of this when it's at its peak?"
     
    #17 jmdrpi, Jan 23, 2017
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  18. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    With that kind of list, you're going to have trouble drinking any kind of exhaustive list of recommendations 'now' lol.

    I have to pile on the Prairie BOMB!s--tastes like shit aged, even after a mere 6 months. However, fresh, it's one of the best mole stouts out there.

    All the sours will be fine, if not better and better with time. Although I've heard it's worth it to try some of the Cantillons fresh if you have multiples, which it doesn't look like you do, so you can be patient.

    Um, need any help with any of that??? (Pug Royale, FO, VR :stuck_out_tongue: )
     
    #18 Sabtos, Jan 23, 2017
  19. phildow

    phildow Crusader (407) Jan 6, 2013 Michigan

    I just had 3 Narwhal (14-16) the other night and thought it was becoming better as it got older. A lot of the bitterness from the roast turning sweet at the '14 mark, so I wouldn't not cellar past 3 years.

    As many others have said, I would recommend pulling any Mexican spiced stouts. I had a 1 year old BBIMM and it was super sweet up front, super hot in the finish. Lost all semblance of a balance of flavors, I didn't care for it at all at that point.
     
    #19 phildow, Jan 23, 2017
  20. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah

    Solid d***-wagging list here... That being said- what are you waiting for?

    That perfect occasion? Wedding? Birthday? Funeral?
    Speaking of which- what happens to all that beer if you go before it does?
    I hope you have thirsty relatives.

    But, for real- what's the point of hoarding that many expensive beers?
     
    #20 ManBearPat, Jan 24, 2017
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