Cellaring epiphany

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by Goosey, Dec 11, 2012.

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  1. Goosey

    Goosey Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2012 Missouri

    I just attended a cellar throw down yesterday with about 10 other guys, and it was the most bad ass beer experience I've had in a very long time. It made me truely understand why I am putting all this time money and effort into cellaring. On top of that, I learned what different styles can transform into over time. I also feel like I know now which beers I want to cellar, as before I was kind of just guessing. Some of the most memorable brews were an 06 beast, 10 parabola, I think 09 weyerbacher rapture, I think 09 120 minute, 09 Alaskan barleywine, and 08 samael. Do you guys have any memorable cellaring experiences that make you realize why you do what you do?
     
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  2. harrymel

    harrymel Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2010 Washington

    Had an '09 120min a while back, made me realize why I won't be doing that anymore. Had a 3 yr old 60min recently, that was pretty good.

    TL;DR: Currently learning the long and hard way that most beer doesn't really age well IMO.
     
  3. shadowane

    shadowane Zealot (631) Sep 7, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Weyerbacher Rapture is from 2011. Did you mean Riserva?
     
  4. Goosey

    Goosey Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2012 Missouri

    No, it was a Rapture. Was pretty drunk by the time we pulled that one out, and I guess I mixed the date up. Regardless, it was a great introduction to Weyerbacher.
     
  5. Retsinis

    Retsinis Pooh-Bah (1,622) Sep 25, 2009 Arizona
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    Several. Firestone Walker verticals (been a part of several, with many years) KBS verticals, Abyss Verticals, Cantillion Lou Pepe verticals (10 year) even just had a He'brew Jewbelation vertical this past Friday (13-16).

    Some beers aged better then others, some vintages vary, but from attending tastings, and hosting my own, the biggest factor I'm noticing, imho of course, is personally, that "cellar conditions" have a HUGE impact on beers.

    One such example, Wooden Hell. At one tasting, it was probably stored in a closet, (our guess) while another either a wine fridge, or actually basement/cellar (also guess, but something has to explain the disparity) The "Closet bottle", (as we now refer to it as) consensus was "way past it's prime, aged too long" then a few weeks later, the "fridge" bottle with several that had attended the previous tasting, consenus...top 3 at the tasting, "amazing, wow", etc.

    Also did an Abyss vertical a few months ago, all bottles purchased upon release, stored personally, in 55 degree cellar conditions, and 60% or so relative humidity. ( I pay a comerical service for my cellar) Having attended tasting with Abyss verticals before, not only did I expect my 08' to be past prime, but that the 09" would be infected, (while I have had non-infected 09' before, they were showing up less and less). Anyhow, at other tasting, I don't know what the cellar conditions were, could have been on the shelf some where, non-chilled, for months, or stored in car trunk! For mine, I knew conditions were ideal. Result, not only was the 09" delicious, and not infected, but the 08" was the best of the bunch.

    Anyhow, long enough post already, but enjoy the journey, your in for a ride. Cheers.
     
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  6. BrownNut

    BrownNut Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Florida

    So let me ask you, do you feel the closet storage simply accelerated the aging process or that aging at that higher temperature had negative effects? My understanding is that the colder something is cellared, the slower it ages (e.g. not much happens in the fridge), and that the hotter, the faster. I have no place to store except a dark bottom cabinet at room temperature at my place. So I'm wondering if I'm just going to be ruining beers regardless or if I should simply age things for some particular fraction of the time one would normally age them.
     
  7. Retsinis

    Retsinis Pooh-Bah (1,622) Sep 25, 2009 Arizona
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    Yes, both actually, your assesment is correct as I understand it as well. Tempature slows the aging, or "ages gracefully" at lower temps, will yield better results in my experience. Not to mention, consistent temps are preferred, as opposed to possible 20+ degree tempature swings, which over the long term, can negatively impact the flavor imo. Also, for bottle conditioned ales, the yeast is alive, so too cold, it can go dormant, too hot, and it will die off. The yeast continuing to feed on the sugars can affect the flavors, most often for the better, so keeping the temps of the beer in the optimal range will help this process, or keep the yeast active an alive. (this is a simplification, but thats it in a nut shell)

    If your only aging for say, 6 months to a year, the beers should be fine, assuming the tempature isn't getting over say 75-80+ degrees. Longer term, say a year or more years, I would recomend investing in something more robust. There are lots of options in that regard too. Wine Fridges, old converted fridges, thermostat controls at home ( that kick the power off when the temps are in range, or on when they are not) as well as paid off site storage (my option at the moment).
     
  8. eatabagofbooger

    eatabagofbooger Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon

    A recent Abyss vert ('07-'12; the '07 was far and away the best), Stone IRS (I've had '08-12 recently, though not all side by side-'10 is drinking really nice right now), and HotD Adam (I've only had up to 3 y/o Adam, but holy hell it was amazing) are my big three. I'm paring down my cellar now and will be filling it mostly with these beers, as they age so well and are readily available around here for a reasonable price (except Abyss on the last point, but oh well).
     
  9. MUMike

    MUMike Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2012 Missouri

    I just talked to Eric at the Derb and he was talking about what a great time he had at this. He said he was blown away by the Weyerbacher as well.

    If it happens again, I'd love to throw some stuff into the mix.
     
  10. Goosey

    Goosey Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2012 Missouri

    Yes, I would love to attend another. Gimme a time and place, though I have to admit my cellar is less than a year old, so I was a bit outclassed. None the less, great time.
     
  11. TWStandley

    TWStandley Pooh-Bah (2,166) Jan 15, 2008 Massachusetts
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    Half the fun of cellaring is walking into my basement knowing that at any point I can drink a world-class beer without having to leave my house.
     
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