Cellaring Tips for a Sour Nube...

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by atorres, Jun 12, 2014.

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  1. atorres

    atorres Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2013 Illinois

    Hey BA community,

    I'm new to the world of sours/wild ales. I've got my first bottle coming in the mail next week (Upland Peach Lambic thanks to my new friend Flight317), and I don't know how to make the call to drink fresh or put age on a sour. I've tried it before, so I know I'll put that one away unless some BA guru says that Uplands need to be consumed ASAP. But what I need to know is what to do in the future.

    Can/should all sours be aged? Please help me understand the signs, labels, yeast varieties, and other components that bring an educated BA to crack a sour fresh or resist for the greater good. How can I tell? I know the old mantra is buy several and spread them out over time, but it looks like that won't be very likely for me with some of these sours. In the event that beer gods grace me with one bottle of Cantillon, Jester King, Russian River, Gueze or Lambic style, how do I make the best decision to do the bottle justice?

    I'm sure I'm not the first to ask this question, so if I missed a previous post/link that I should read up on, please shoot it my way. But if you have examples from experience of specific sours that aged well, I'd love to get their names, vintages, and number of years aged.

    This is one of the many reasons why I love Beer Advocate so much: the community.

    Thanks all and CHEERS!
     
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  2. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Unpasterurized sour and funky beers will slowly evolve over time if kept at a reasonable temperature for continued microbial activity. It's one of the joys of drinking these types of beers - seeing how they change over time.
     
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  3. atorres

    atorres Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2013 Illinois

    Thanks for the first reply! I appreciate it.

    So I can read a label for pasteurized/unpasteurized, I'm assuming, but how can I determine "funky" so I know for sure? Will that characteristic come from a particular type of yeast?

    I need a sour tutorial...
     
  4. JasonLovesBeer

    JasonLovesBeer Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 Canada (BC)

    Usually aging will up the acidity level and reduce any added flavours like fruit. Thus it's generally best to drink one early and decide from there. Gueuze ages very well though.
     
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  5. beerman4

    beerman4 Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2009 California

    I also have a question for cellaring sours. Should I be aging my Cantillon bottles(and other sours with corks) on the side, or standing up? I've had a bottle of Cantillon that had alot of mold on the inside of the bottle. Could it have been that the cork was bad, and let air through? Would letting the beer hit the cork prevent the air from coming through? Not sure on this, I've been aging almost all my beers standing up.
     
  6. jono0101

    jono0101 Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 Missouri

    I've got all my sours, including Cantillon bottles, stored upright. That is one of the questions that you will never get a definitive answer to, because for as many people that will tell you upright, there are just as many people that will tell you on the side. I would also imagine if you did a search on this or any other beer forum, there are probably a dozen or so other threads with this exact same question posed, and you can see the differing answers there as well. I chose upright because thats what the space I keep my beer in allows, as well as reading a few people saying that some of their bottles stored on their sides have leaked, which I want no part of.

    Probably not easy to do with Cantillon, but maybe a fun experiment with some easier to get bottles of Lambic or Geuze like Tilquin, would be to buy two bottles, lay one down and keep the other upright, and age them both for a couple years. Then buy a fresh one and drink all three with some beer friends. I think I might actually go out and buy bottles this weekend!
     
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  7. atorres

    atorres Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2013 Illinois

    From someone who's never owned a bottle of cantillon, can you really just "go out and buy bottles this weekend"?
     
  8. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Are you sure it was mold and not yeast sediment?
     
  9. beerman4

    beerman4 Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2009 California

    Yeah I'm sure that it was mold! It made my friend/neighbor throw up. I know what sediment and mold are, and the mold was inside the bottle. But it was only on the top where the cork is, and it wasn't even touching the beer. It was green and white, I shouldn't have tried to drink it, but we did.
     
  10. atpca

    atpca Pooh-Bah (1,652) Jun 10, 2013 California
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    After years of storing upright and having multiple Cantillon corks break apart on me while opening, I've decided to follow their lead and store my Gueuze like my wine.
     
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  11. atorres

    atorres Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2013 Illinois

    :grimacing::grimacing::grimacing:You're cellar is crrrrazy!!!!:wink:
     
  12. atorres

    atorres Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2013 Illinois

    For real though...

    How long ago did you make that decision, and have you noticed a difference? With the cork and with the taste? The negative I've read about side-storage is that there's a larger surface area for the air in the bottle to be in contact with the beer. Sucks that both theories logically make sense.
     
  13. atpca

    atpca Pooh-Bah (1,652) Jun 10, 2013 California
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    Like 3 weeks. I opened a bunch of Cantillon bottles with ooze on top that were bone dry on the bottom. Half of the corks split on me. Figure storing sideways will keep the corks swollen at least.
     
  14. BobBarker

    BobBarker Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Louisiana

    I will say when watching the video about cantillons "bomb shelter" of sour beers that they are aging. All of the sours were stored on their side. This seems like a definitive answer to me in that if Cantillon ages their beer on its side then we should do likewise.
     
  15. atorres

    atorres Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2013 Illinois

    Can you post this link by chance?
     
  16. BobBarker

    BobBarker Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Louisiana

  17. jono0101

    jono0101 Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 Missouri

    Ha, no, not at all. Shelton actually just started distributing back in Missouri late last year, so we have gotten a couple shipments of Cantillon, but it went crazy fast. That's why I said I would try it with something like Tilquin instead. I can just go grab bottles of that whenever I want around here.
     
  18. BrotherDylan

    BrotherDylan Crusader (489) May 15, 2012 California
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    Cantillon should definitely be cellared horizontally like wine bottles. Its really only corked DARK beers that run risks of off flavors when stored horizontally. The dark malts in beer can become harsh, acitic or autolytic (burnt electrical cord flavor from yeast eating other yeast cells) much faster when the beer is stored horizontally. Cantillon beers, almost universally, do not have dark malts in them and should be stored horizontally because of the importance of preserving the cork, especially to prevent ullage from extended aging.
     
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  19. ASak10

    ASak10 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2014 Colorado

    What? Care to provide any sort of back up for the bolded claim? Every time I read a new post about how to store beer, I'm amazed at some new "rule" that suddenly crops up.
     
  20. HighWine

    HighWine Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2010 Illinois

    I drink fruited sours fresh because I like the stronger fruit flavors. Non-fruited sours I don't mind sitting on for a few years (or more).
     
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