Changes at Ball Canning Could Destabilize the Craft Beer Industry

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  1. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, I get it. But the "Chicken Little" reaction to such events (similar things were said back during the last hop shortage) by "craft" brewers starts to get tired. These guys are selling beer for 3 or 4 times what the macros are going for - "We don't have the economies of scale that AB has!" they moan. They now pay less Federal Excise Tax on a barrel of beer ($3.50 in 2021 dollars) than brewers did after Repeal ($5 in 1934 dollars), many sell a good portion of their barrelage from the brewery - thus pocketing the money that goes to retailers' and wholesalers' expenses and profits - and often rely on the use of "volunteer" labor, despite it being illegal under US labor law.

    So, as the industry moved to more and more can usage, the pandemic hit, Ball and the few other US can manufacturers (pretty much limited to Crown and Ardagh at this point IIRC ) were overwhelmed with increased demand and whatever shutdowns they experienced, so Ball felt they had to institute moves to protect their own business.
     
  2. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    I was curious about the manufacturing process, mostly because I was wondering about the practicality of delivering cans in a less fully-formed format that might take up less space. Unsurprisingly, one step in the process of making a can appears to be a flat disc (which seemed great in terms of shipping and storage). But there are many, many steps to go from a flat disc to a can, and I doubt that there are small, manageable devices that brewers could use to locally do it. This video seems fairly old, but probably the fundamentals of can manufacturing haven't changed much.



    Also, as a curiosity, an empty twelve ounce aluminum can weighs 14.9 grams according to quick and dirty Googling. A truckload of 204,000 cans would weigh 3,039,600 grams, which is about 6,700 pounds. A 16oz can would weigh more, but not much more.
     
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  3. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Bring back the little guys, I'm in favor.
     
  4. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Back when I was an OTR driver, I ran a couple loads of plastic pop bottles from the manufacturer to the producer. And, they were shipped in miniature. The pop maker had a machine that would expand them into the full size just before filling. IIRC, 1 truck load replaced 4-5 truckloads.
     
  5. snaotheus

    snaotheus Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,924) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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    That's so cool!
     
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  6. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I've know women whose shoe collection did that.
     
  7. WthrmanStan

    WthrmanStan Initiate (188) Feb 10, 2011 Connecticut

    Is it time to merge the 12 oz. and 16 oz. formats together to make , just 14 oz. cans? And make 5 packs?
     
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  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Schlitz beat you to that, late '60s.
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    Well, given that the standard "case" of beer is 24 units (8 X 3, 6 X 4, 4 X 6, 3 X 8, 2 X 12 have all worked), that'd be a tough one.
     
  9. WthrmanStan

    WthrmanStan Initiate (188) Feb 10, 2011 Connecticut

    I understand the packaging would be inconvenient with 5 cans. I’m just trying to figure out how consumers would win. If you have a 14 oz. 5 pack that is 70 ozs. of beer. So that is 2 ozs. less then a 6 pack of 12 ozers. Would you be opposed to considering a reduction from 24 units, to 20 units in a case? Or increase to 30 units?

    (5x4, 2x10 / 6x5, 3x10, 2x15)

    Just brainstorming. Because if you go to a 4 pack 14 oz format, the consumer loses 8 oz, when comparing to the 16 oz. 4 pack format

    Imagine a 5 pack holder where it is a regular 4 pack stringer, but the top is two extra loops where a 5th beer could be attached as a handle. Most beer fridges at liquor stores have room or space to accommodate this if they double stack, which really isn’t advantageous, since people don’t want to move the top pack to get to the bottom one usually. The rest is just cardboard packaging as usual for the large formats.

    I was not around for the Schlitz 7 pack, but that is innovative!!! Thanks for sharing.
     
  10. WthrmanStan

    WthrmanStan Initiate (188) Feb 10, 2011 Connecticut

    My idea for the handle is a stretch, and wouldn’t ship well. The 5 pack holder style could be engineered by some college students who might have a passion for craft beer. Not to mention all of the other packaging formats, too!
     
  11. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Makes sense to me but I'm not the one making decisions.
     
  12. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Packaging and shipping would be horrendous. How would you stack them on the standard 48x40 inch pallet? Could you still get 10 layers on there?

    Putting 5 cans in a cardboard carton, as a lot of 6ers do now, is no biggie. But how do you pack a case? Design a whole new flat to hold them? And, again, how many can you get on a standard pallet to optimize shipping and storage?
     
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  13. barneyrubble

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  14. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Seven-ounce brown glass bottles: It's Time.
     
  15. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    I'm going to laugh my ass off when all these brewers touting the benefits of cans as being superior have to switch to bottles and then start telling us how much better bottles are....

    Those are pretty significant ordering changes, especially the minimum shipment going up 5 times. I'm not sure how many brewers will be able to swallow that larger load from Ball.
     
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  16. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Many years ago 14 oz cans were available in South Carolina, but individually and in 6-packs.
     
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  17. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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  18. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    crowlers..32 and 16 oz.
     
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  19. joerooster2

    joerooster2 Aspirant (254) Aug 18, 2020 District of Columbia

    No, that's not what it says. It says NON-CONTRACT customers, which includes 'many small breweries'.
     
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  20. barneyrubble

    barneyrubble Pooh-Bah (2,305) Aug 21, 2020 Colorado
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    thanks for the clarification
     
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