Chicagoland NE IPAs (2018)

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by SeanBond, Aug 29, 2016.

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  1. Gambyt20

    Gambyt20 Pooh-Bah (2,028) Jan 14, 2016 Illinois
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    yup you can run there early in the am, check out olive park right next to navy pier if you have few minutes, u can see the skyline looking back into the city from there, also I work nearby, feel free to message me near the end of March and I can try and grab ya some NE IPAs that are out that week or the week prior. If our schedules line up I can meet ya up to get them to ya, but yeah Binny's grand otherwise is your best bet, head in go to the left for the beer section.
     
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  2. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I had my last can of Juicy about 5 weeks after canning and it was still very good.
     
  3. Chuckdiesel24

    Chuckdiesel24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,208) Jul 6, 2016 Illinois
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    In fairness, the reason this discussion has come up is because people have seen drop off on some beers in this style. If you go back and read this thread - people have at some point talked about Galaxy Bowl, Reply Hazy, and Morning Fog all "falling off". I've had a few of those "later on", and didn't taste any falling off, but that's where the discussion has come from.
     
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  4. csmakio

    csmakio Zealot (707) Nov 26, 2016 Illinois

    It's pretty much a drain pour at this point. HopButcher's IPAs have literally no shelf-life.
     
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  5. Chuckdiesel24

    Chuckdiesel24 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,208) Jul 6, 2016 Illinois
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    Wish is Granted is still very good to me. Maybe just the hazy ones...
     
  6. croush

    croush Pooh-Bah (2,407) Mar 20, 2015 Illinois
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    Yeah, there seems to be differing opinions, which isn't surprising. I haven't had a ton of these at the 4-6 week mark, but I haven't thought there's been a drastic fall off with any of them. I do wonder if there is a quality difference in terms of shelf life for some of these versus the NE breweries with a longer track record, though, even if I haven't experienced it myself. Or, maybe it's just palates being palates, and some of the folks here experiencing this fall off would say the same thing about the NE versions.
     
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  7. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,904) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    I mentioned this earlier in the thread I think, but I had two cans of GB a few weeks after canning. The first was a drain pour with very little hop flavor left. Weirdly, the second was much better. Still not as good as the initial 2 (which were fantastic), but good. It definitely wasn't a palate thing, either; the drain pour didn't even have much of a nose, and I had my gf taste it and she hated it. So clearly HB's NE stuff is super volatile.

    This would not surprise me at all.
     
  8. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Lol, that's why they were designed to fly off the shelves...
     
  9. ratwheels

    ratwheels Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2011 Illinois

    Oh, I understand why he said it. I just wanted to point out that when this style is done right, it should not and does not "fall off" so quickly.

    Also, beers will change over time. I think some people are too quick to say something "fell off". I won't speak for the Hop Butcher stuff, because I don't really enjoy any of it as it is, but I had Juicy 5 or 6 weeks after canning and thought it was pretty damn good.
     
  10. HawksBeerFan

    HawksBeerFan Maven (1,378) Dec 24, 2011 Illinois
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    My guess is that a majority of this is related to palettes more than anything. I've had most of these beers fresh and with a few weeks on them and the differences are barely noticeable, if at all.

    It's just something for beer nerds to get all psyched up about for no real good reason.
     
  11. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,904) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    I honestly don't think that's true, for the reason I outlined above. I freely acknowledge the difference in palates, but the amount of variance in the 4 cans of GB I had was far outside what I'd consider day-to-day changes in my palate. I think you just got lucky in that your 4 cans were closer to my 1st, 2nd and maybe 4th cans. My 3rd was actively crap. Not like "I'm disappointed it's not as good"-crap, like "this has very little hop flavor, tastes like a sweet mess, and I'd rather drink nothing than finish it."

    I've had canned Beer Hates Astronauts a couple months later where the hops weren't as pronounced. That was disappointing, but still good. Navaja 3 months in tastes fine, as does...Stratus, I think was the one I had after a few months. My third can of GB was an outlier.
    Yeah, I think that's one of the reasons people have been hating on some of the newcomers to the style. The beers hold up fine for a couple weeks, but there's way too steep a drop-off, and seems to fly in the face of what brewing nerds would tell you are good brewing practices/implementation.
     
  12. csmakio

    csmakio Zealot (707) Nov 26, 2016 Illinois

    Went into Noon Whistle today at opening for a few pours and crowlers. They said they tell everyone that crowlers stay fresh for generally 2 weeks. Of course being an NE IPA this will change a bit but they have had crowlers a lot longer than 2 weeks remain fresh.

    4-6 seems damn short. Aluminum holds up. They can it just like you would anything else.
     
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  13. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,904) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    That seems fine (the 2 weeks), crowlers just make me more nervous than standard canned beer because I don't know if the little crowler machines can as securely as an industrial machine (not saying they don't).
     
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  14. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    The difference is that oxygen is captured in the crowler when its sealed whereas the cans have CO2 pumped in to remove the oxygen when they are sealed.
     
  15. KBlodorn

    KBlodorn Pundit (920) Oct 3, 2014 Ohio
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    Great point on GalaxyBowl, man that beer really fell off.

    And, I haven't been scouring this thread, so I apologize in advance, but did anyone get ANY haziness from Reply Hazy? It had the look of a golden IPA with plenty of transparency in my glass.. Still tastes nice, though, for a brewer throwing attempts out at the NE style, their West Coast Your Wish is Granted is probably their best beer.
     
  16. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Look like the same process to me- fill up the can, the fluid and the escaping CO2 from the beer push out the oxygen, then you cap before the foam resides and the oxygen can settle back in..
     
  17. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,904) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    Yeah, Reply Hazy was comparably hazy to GB1 for me. I'll see if I posted a pic on Untappd. Please hold...
     
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  18. CB_Michigan

    CB_Michigan Pooh-Bah (1,552) Sep 4, 2014 Illinois
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    Are you saying that knowledge of the canning date colors our perception? :wink:

    Sorry, it's around this time on Fridays that I veer into Dad Joke territory. Back on topic, I do think there's something to the idea that local brewers don't have these fully dialed in as well as the NE breweries, so it wouldn't necessarily make sense to extrapolate from what TH/Trilium say. I think that Morning Fog had quite a drop off since it was released. On-tap and the first couple of cans were absolute juice bombs. I cracked my last one a couple of days ago and it definitely wasn't the same. Haze was still there, but taste and mouthfeel seemed off. I got a lot more rind and pith, and it was missing that fluffy/pillowy quality. My buddy, who'd never heard of it, got the same general notes I did, so I don't think it's just our beer geekery at play.
     
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  19. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    From what I understand the crowler is a less effective/cruder version of regular canning. When a production brewery is canning, the process is much more precise and effective since they have to get all the oxygen out before that beer can go out for distribution.
     
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  20. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,904) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    I may have posted this earlier in the thread (sorry all, if so), and there's bad lighting, but: If you hold it up to the light, it looks like orange juice. Totally opaque.

    People have had this issue before with the Chicago NE stuff (where some of us get an opaque beer and some get a clear one).
     
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