Cinnamon in secondary. How much?

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  1. Bdalik

    Bdalik Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2015 New Jersey

    I made an awesome, thick imperial stout that I am adding coffee, vanilla beans and cinnamon to. I got cinnamon sticks but I hear those do next to nothing for you. I will probably add the whole pack in a mesh bag just for aromatic purposes since unless you boil them, apparently all you get is smell. I want to add some actual ground cinnamon to it but I'm not sure how much will be too much. For similarity, I absolutely love Terrapin's Cinnamon Roll'd Wake n Bake. Subtle, but noticeable cinnamon flavor. Any ideas?
     
  2. ironchefmiyagi13

    ironchefmiyagi13 Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2013 Tennessee

    I added cinnamon to a roasty Brown Ale that came out nice. Should have used more sticks, but I boiled it in just a little water that I added a bit of brown sugar to in order to add a little sweetness back to the beer and I didn't want the cinnamon to be too overpowering.

    In terms of cinnamon to the fermenter in ground form, I am not sure of cinnamon's ability to fall out of solution so you don't get any particulate floating in the finished product. I assume cold crashing for a few days would remedy this?
     
  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I add 1 teaspoon of ground cinnamon to the boil for pumpkin ale. Perhaps it might work adding to the secondary, but many Brewers here use tinctures and that might add more flavor than straight ground powder.
     
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  4. mbbransc

    mbbransc Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 North Carolina

    Not sure where you heard cinnamon sticks do next to nothing, but I disagree.

    I have a Cinnamon Maple Coffee Stout that took 1st spiced beer in a contest 2wks ago. For my cinnamon, I did a vodka tincture with fresh crushed cinnamon sticks. Memory failing me, but I believe I did 3 sticks and 4oz vodka and let it sit several weeks, shaking it when I thought about it. Then add the cinnamon until you get the level you are looking for. I personally love cinnamon in a stout so I probably built mine a little strong.
     
  5. Bdalik

    Bdalik Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2015 New Jersey

    Thanks for the info! So I have a pack of cinnamon sticks, probably about 8-10 of them. Here's what I'm thinking. Crush a few of them up and throw them into a mason jar with some vodka and let sit for a week or so and then pitch in the vodka and cinnamon crushed bits into secondary to sit for 2-3 weeks. Think this will work? I really want a slight cinnamon burn to come through in flavor and aroma.
     
  6. mbbransc

    mbbransc Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 North Carolina

    I don't see any problem with that. If you want a slight burn as well, you might want to consider a vodka tincture of habanero peppers too. If you don't want too much of the chili flavor, use on the seeds and membranes only for the tincture.

    I keep tinctures of various flavors in my pantry to add when the mood strikes me. I have cinnamon, vanilla, bourbon oak, peppers, chocolate nibs, maybe more.
     
  7. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Get yourself some Hot Damn! You aren't getting fireball heat from cinnamon sticks.

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  8. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    I just vacuum seal most ingredients with bourbon (will only do vodka if I'm adding tincture to a lighter beer). I recently did this with coarsely ground coffee beans which I added to a rye whiskey maple syrup BA Imperial Stout and I've got some cinnamon sticks sealed and soaking in bourbon for the other half of that same stout. I usually just submerge the ingredients into the keg via hop bag and floss after they're sterilization time with the spirit of choice but this stout is so thick and flavorful I'll likely pour most if not all of the tincture in as well as submerge the sticks until I get the flavor and aroma I want. Works with citrus zests, cacao nibs, vanilla beans, oak, etc.
     
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  9. MikesnoHSL

    MikesnoHSL Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2014 Florida

    Just torch the cinnamon sticks first and either add directly to fermenter or soak in booze for 2 weeks.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Why would he want to burn the cinnamon sticks?
     
  11. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    @mbbransc did you use all of that tincture and was it for a 5 gallon batch, I am interested in an oaked cinnamon maple coffee stout.
     
  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Or buy cinnamon oil.
     
  13. mbbransc

    mbbransc Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 North Carolina

    No, and no. The beer began life as an oatmeal stout. After drinking for some time, I didn't feel like it ever came around, so I added some crushed coffee beans for a week. Drank some like that and still wasn't really feeling it, so I went to the maple and cinnamon. Ballpark ideas, I think I had around 2.5gal left and ended up adding 2oz of my cinnamon tincture, 2oz of Beanilla Maple Concentrate and 4oz of Dark Amber maple syrup.
     
  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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  15. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    Did two cinnamon beers in 2015, the first was a imperial stout that I added 3 cinnamon sticks w/5 minutes left in the boil. The second, was a brown ale that I added 2 cinnamon stick that had been soaking in vodka directly into the keg and let them sit for a week before putting it on tap. The cinnamon really started to come through in the second half of the keg at a good level. Not sure that helps, but 2-3 cinnamon sticks should suffice.
     
  16. MikesnoHSL

    MikesnoHSL Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2014 Florida

    Burning the sticks intensifies the flavor. Increases surface area and releases more oil from the sticks. It will cut extraction time and in my opinion it's more of the flavor your looking for. Just torch one side
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I have never heard this about cinnamon. Is this something chefs do?
     
  18. Bdalik

    Bdalik Initiate (0) Feb 1, 2015 New Jersey

    For anyone who may be interested, I may a tincture of 4-5 crushed up cinnamon sticks with vodka. The cinnamon nose really came through when you crush them. I'll report back on how it added to the aroma and flavor.
     
  19. MikesnoHSL

    MikesnoHSL Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2014 Florida

    Well I do and I am a chef. I just think the flavor is much better just torch one end until it smells like Christmas. There are multiple kinds of cinnamon you can buy but the usual ones are just fine
     
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  20. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Cinnamon sticks come in various lengths. When a "cinnamon stick" is mentioned in a recipe, what length stick is usually implied?
     
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