Circa 1944- Lambic Lager Beer

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  1. beergurujr

    beergurujr Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

  2. beergurujr

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  3. tehzachatak

    tehzachatak Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2010 Massachusetts

    The label. The site's selling labels, and says that one was removed from the bottle by soaking.
     
  4. williamjbauer

    williamjbauer Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2012 Colorado

    Anyone actually buy these labels?
     
  5. beergurujr

    beergurujr Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

    People collect labels, like others collect stamps. It's a hobby.
     
  6. beergurujr

    beergurujr Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

    IMO, the brewer was trying to sell a soured beer. Lambic was a style not known in the USA at the time, but brewers who had gone to brewing schools would have read about the style. And during wartime, if your beer got infected with brett, why not try to sell it? No doubt it would have been an epic fail, but why waste it?
     
  7. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I've always been a bit perplexed by that brand, but I tend to think it was just a brand name for one line of their beer (Doelger's main brand was "Doelger First Prize"). That same Tavern Trove site lists both the Lambic Lager and Lambic Ale being brewed from 1936-1947 at Doelger's Harrison brewery (which was sold in 1948). This ad from '47 doesn't give any hint that it's a "brett" beer.

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    Who knows why they picked the name, tho'.
     
  8. beergurujr

    beergurujr Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

    It's a weird name to take..... "special yeast culture"? Maybe not sour, but a bit tart?
     
  9. beergurujr

    beergurujr Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

    Also in research I found a small ad from a Florida Jewish Weekly (Jan 3, 1947), that advertised the Lambic Lager and Lambic "(Scotch)" Ale.
    ????
     
  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    That's consistent with what I was able to find. Seems a case of simple "misuse" of a name associated with beer in Europe, possibly to suggest it was an "imported" beer made in the US. The person who thought it up probably had never seen or tasted a Lambic.
     
  11. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    OTOH, there's this small note from the Advertising column from the New York Times in '39:

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    Interestingly, the only mention of "lambic" (in the section on Belgium and Holland) in The Western Brewer's 1903's 100 Years of Brewing defines it simply as "...lambic or strong beer...".
     
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  12. beergurujr

    beergurujr Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

    Ah ha! This merits more investigation. Maybe some sort of yeast cultures from a Belgian brewery were used? Or even perhaps, Doegler imported Belgian beer to NY, and when the war cut off the supply, brewed their own versions for some years.

     
  13. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    "Multiple Vatting process" is a phrase that has me wondering. What does it mean, for one thing?

    If you vat a beer, you stick it in a vat and leave it there until you rack it for sale. You don't move it into another vat.

    Is it just advertising nonsense or an attempt to describe some process of making the beer?
     
  14. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Reads to me like typical advertising nonsense. I alway picture some ad guy being shown around by the brewmaster, who's giving a quickie explanation of the brewing process and mentions "...and then the wort is transferred to any one of these multiple fermenting tanks or vats..." and the ad guy says, "Multiple vats, huh? Hmmm...." and scribbles something in his notebook.
     
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  15. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    You're probably right.
     
  16. beergurujr

    beergurujr Initiate (0) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

    If you were trying to give it some tartness or sourness while trying to create a bastardized version of a Belgian, you might transfer fermented beer to another vessel and introduce lactobacillus and/or brett. That's probably what a AB or MillerCoors would do if they wanted to make a "Lambic".
     
  17. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I happened to be reading an article from the Journal of Brewing archive online and came across what ought to be a reference to this "multiple vatting process" (or one version of it rather).

    "After fermentation the ale is run off from the fermenting tuns to the storage vats in cellar No.1 which was kept at a temperature of 45. After two or three weeks storage here it is run to the vats in No.2 cellar, kept at a temperature of 35, then after a further 14 days storage the ale goes to cellar No.3, maintained at a temperature of 30, and then after a further 14 days storage at this temperature the ale passes through a continuous carbonating machine to be thoroughly charged with gas."

    Excerpt taken from page 361.
     
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  18. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Yeah, that's sort of a hint.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Patrik, thanks for that information. What year was that written? I did a web search of Institute of Brewing but I couldn’t locate the book (I assume that you are referencing a book at page 361). Do you have a link that you can provide?

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
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