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Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by HopsintheSack, Feb 7, 2017.
Farmhouse Brewing Supply has 1lb bags of Citra on sale for 19.99 right now. FYI.
Yes, lately it seems that is the going price for Citra...trick is to get 2016 pellets to your door for that price.
I guess there is a silver lining on Galaxy going for almost double that (it might drive the price down on everything else???)
Thanks for the heads up I should grab a pack.
Double? I paid $25.99/lb for 2lbs of 2016 Galaxy earlier this year from Yakima Valley Hops.
Thanks for the heads up @HopsintheSack . I'm guessing @GreenKrusty101 answered this already but been meaning to ask you guys about these 1lb hop sales. Seems great but hop freshness is key, right? Does the reduced price mean they're old? Looks like this sale is for 2016 crop though. Or maybe it's just supply and demand? I thought I had read hop growers may be overdoing it these days and producing too much recently. Anyway, thanks again @HopsintheSack
With that order, shipping was $6 and included 2# of Galaxy, 1# each of Azacca, Citra, Mosaic, Vic Secret and 8oz Nugget.
So 92 cent adder per lb on the order shipped... So I guess $25.99+0.92 = $26.91 shipped to my door, per pound (or $1.68 per oz). Not shabby...
I really hate repackaging hops so I usually buy in smaller 4/6/8 oz that can be used for 1 IPA...I still buy lbs, but only if the delivered price is right I find it cheaper sometimes to just add hops to an existing order.
Yeah I get that... But given I typically use 16-20oz for a 5-gal batch for my IPA/DIPA's, it goes pretty quick. Also, I vacuum seal in 3-4oz increments for future use so I don't have to reopen and reseal the same bag over and over. Works out well! Better than buying overpriced hops for $3-4/oz of popular varieties at the store lol
If I was routinely using 16-20 oz per batch I would be buying by the bale.
Wow! That's a shit load of hops!
I am surprised there would be any beer left after all of those hops suck up the liquid!
I adjust for those losses and always get 5-gal into the keg.
Typically I have anywhere from 6-8oz in the dry hop alone... Then another 3-4oz in the whirlpool... So really, only 4-6oz during the boil.
Makes some incredible IPA's though... Plus in bulk, hops are cheap so why not!
The law of diminishing returns comes to mind.
If you happy with using such a large quantity of hops then I suppose: go for it!!
From Tree House site:
"JULIUS - Bursting with 1.6 oz per gallon of American hops, Julius is loaded with notes of passionfruit, mango, and citrus. At 6.5% alcohol, it is refreshing and freakishly drinkable."
1.6 x 5 = 8oz per 5gallons. So 16 - 20oz is definitely a lot. I haven't used that much in any of my NEIPAs (yet) but I bet I do lose a ton of aroma when I siphon from the fermenter to the keg. I dry hop in a keg and perform closed transfers though. I want a 10 gallon corny keg so I can keep almost a completely closed environment from fermentation through to serving.
Just curious @invertalon , how do you decide how much hops to use? Great pic in that other thread btw.
Cheaper, but not cheap when you use double the amount that will give you very satisfying aroma and flavor. Do you by any chance drive a muscle car from the 60s or a lifted pickup truck?
This was the aspect of "law of diminishing returns" that I stated previously.
They are 2016 hops and a decent price, at least cheaper than my local LHBS. My local does not do 1lb bags, but even with shipping buying online is usually cheaper for me. Plus I usually buy 3-4 lbs at a time when I find a deal and use a vacuum sealer to break them up.
Wish I could find a decent price on Galaxy hops, but man are they pricey this year.
Meh, brew the beer you love.
I'm with @invertalon. My 10gal batches (start as 12gal batches) routinely have 18-21oz in dry hops alone. Is there diminishing return? Yep. Is my IPA better than 95% of the IPAs you can buy? Yep.
Yes, Jack...as you know, it is a subject I rant about frequently here...in regards to many different procedures and practices...not just hop usage. Cheers
Word of caution: This is ignoring any hop utilization factor scaling that TH gets from their setup. 1.5oz per gallon at the pro level may be something like 3oz per gallon at the homebrew level. Lots of factors come into play with pro brewing like shape of kettle, depth/pressure of liquid, etc. Just something to think about when scaling pro recipes to a homebrew level.
Diminishing returns are possible, sure… Not denying that! However, my IPA’s come out exactly how I want in regards to flavor and aroma… Once kegged, that aroma and flavor holds up for months, not weeks, with almost no noticeable loss over that time (and that aroma is absolutely potent, it’s amazing). My end result has worked very well for those styles that I have not felt the need to adjust. I have done IPA’s in the range of 8oz-12oz total and they have been fine, but coincidence or not, my higher hopped IPA’s have been a step up in the flavor/aroma department… Maybe we should get Brulosophy to test hopping rates and see the flavor/aroma difference, blindly tested, short and long term! At least in my own personal experience, the hop flavor is the big significant increase I have seen increasing the rates to what I have.
FWIW, I did speak with a brewery at a popular brewery that focuses on NE-Style IPA’s about hopping rates and mine were in the same ballpark. Not that it really matters!
When I make my recipes I just reference total quantities for dry hopping, whirlpool and boil hop rates that have resulted in my best beers… I have landed on the quantities that have worked best for me (again, I have done anywhere from 6-20oz in varying IPA’s) and my sweet spot is around 12-14oz for pales, 14-18oz for IPA’s and 16-22oz for DIPA’s… Given the quick look at a few references.
Note, it’s only my IPA’s I hop that heavily of course… My light lagers, stouts and other ales are typically in the 2-4oz range, entire hop quantity. So it’s not like I am that extreme on everything… haha
This exactly with my experience as well. Not just my own personal opinion, but friends and even people I don't know at bottle shares who have had my stuff as well usually comment that my beer is better than much of the Trillium, Treehouse and other IPA's they have had. So I must be doing something right. Why change it?
Like you said, brew the beer you love. That includes heavy hopping rates... Flavortown baby!
Not that my opinion holds a huge amount of weight, but I can speak a little to Invertalon's recipes. I brewed his APA (which I think now goes by a different name) and it was one of the best I've brewed! Was worried about THAT many hops, but it all turned out great. Very nice beer.
Thanks for this, @hezagenius . Good point!
New brewers might want to read this take on hopping beers...much more informative than the "scaling up" gibberish above, imho.
This thread has taken some odd turns.
I was actually looking to buy some hops in bulk and I was wondering what the adverse effect of buying the 2015 pellets that they have on sale?
Hahahahah @mbbransc yes it has, but fun reading. I remember when 6 total oz of hops was considered a lot per 5 gal.
@NovoKane if they are stored Properly, a little will be lost. If stored improperly, a lot. So if you are buying bull, be sure to keep the unused hops frozen and sealed well to keep them fresh as possible.
...and brew with passion...or [insert other brewing cliché here]
OK...hophead alert! https://www.williamsbrewing.com/BULK-PELLET-HOPS-C348.aspxco
At these prices, I would still only use 4 oz in a 5 gal keg to dry hop
But might also stucco my house with them
Server melting...deal sooooo good
Looks like they are 2015, curious how they were stored. Good price though.