Classic American Pilsner

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  1. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    But as I said above, if you've had a big, calorie-laden dinner light beer won't get you drunk... unless maybe you down a case -- then you're just gonna run to the WC a whole lot! :wink:
     
  2. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    It would definitely be noticeable if they DIDN'T use hops in PBR or the like. I can only guess it would be very sweet, and not dry
     
  3. AngryDutchman

    AngryDutchman Zealot (693) Aug 8, 2015 Pennsylvania

    I'm wondering if Yuengling Lager qualifies - although it's clearly not a Pilsner in the old-world style, it's been around a while, has the ~30% corn grain ratio and sweetness over hoppiness.

    Honestly, it's a weird category to me - Pilsener is a very specific, light colored Czech beer brewed free of adjuncts. Even calling a German beer brewed under Reinheitsgebot a "Pilsner" is sacrilegious, isn't it?
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It all depends on how precise you want to get here. In the Czech Republic only the Pale Lagers brewed in the city of Plzen are referred to as Pilsners. In the remainder of the Czech Republic they call this sort of beer as Světlé Ležák in the Czech language. The term of Světlé Ležák roughly translates to Pale Lager.

    In Germany they often use the term of Pils to distinguish the Pale Lagers brewed in Germany from those brewed in the Czech Republic.

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  5. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I addition to what @JackHorzempa said above. I would also add that the Classic American Pilsner evolved as it's own distinct style because of the ingredients available to 1800s American brewers, so it doesn't have to nor ever did it follow the classic Czech pilsner rules or Reinheitsgebot. It is similar to how american bourbon or scotch evolved from the older whiskeys because of the local ingredients used that gave them distinct characters.
     
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  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    That's the way it got started. The indigenous six row barley has too high of a protein content for the Pils style on it's own, so the adjuncts (usually corn ) were used as a diluent. Incidentally, this technique came with the German immigrant brewers who were accustomed to using adjuncts themselves.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Michael, Patrik (@Crusader) has thoughtfully posted about brewing in the US in the 1862-1863 timeframe as written by Ludwig Häcker (a brewer from Austria-Hungary). In particular Ludwig Häcker wrote:

    “According to Häcker many of the German brewmasters harbored suspicion or outright contempt for the use of corn in their bottom fermented beer (undoubtedly influenced by their own brewing traditions from back home), and instead chose to brew their beer without it (Häcker tried to convince brewers across the country in the places he visited to start using corn in their brewing due to its economical and other advantages, and he received two American patents for brewing with corn).”

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...s-drinking-a-century-ago.251868/#post-3222509

    I wish that I understood German so that I could read the book by Ludwig Häcker: "Amerikanische Reise-Skizzen aus dem Gebiete der Technik, Landwirtschaft und ..."

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    Cheers to Patrik for his scholarly contributions to BA threads!!
     
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  8. Phil-Fresh

    Phil-Fresh Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2015 California

    JackHorzempa is totally right! Just want to add that borders werent as well defined and were pretty fluid throughout history. The idea of the Czech Republic... er Czechia is still a relatively new construct.
     
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  9. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Ron Pattinson, going through 19th century German brewing records found extensive use of adjuncts though usually rice.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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