Clean those taplines!

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BBThunderbolt, Feb 22, 2020.

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  1. PNW

    PNW Initiate (0) Dec 23, 2019 Washington

    A quality electric line cleaning pump only costs $700 + the chems, couplers, etc. This should be considered necessary equipment and isn't out of reach for most bars to do it themselves. It's really quite easy.
     
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  2. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Which I understand. I realize there are competing interests here (on the one hand, they want to sell beer; on other hand, they would like their beer to be relatively fresh), but it strikes me as unfortunate if the need to sell beer at all costs outweighs their interest in making sure the customer is receiving a product that closely represents the flavor profile the brewer had in mind when he made it (which I would argue, is not what the customer is getting when they inadvertently order a 12 month old can or bottle of DIPA). I don't mean to be naïve on the subject, but I would like to think that most brewers have enough interest in selling a fresh product that they would be willing to expend a little extra time, money and effort to make that happen.

    That being said, let me shift gears for a second and ask you a question Jack. If you inadvertently purchased a beer that you later found out was much older than you had anticipated, and it turned out to be as wretched as you expected (given the style and age of the beer), who would you blame for that beer still being on the shelf? The retailer, the distributor or the brewery?
     
  3. lastmango

    lastmango Maven (1,487) Dec 11, 2014 Pennsylvania

    After inquiring at several bars, none had real tonic in their guns. All had seltzer so not quite as risky. Having said that, seltzer does not make a G&T. I always get clarification on the tonic before ordering a G&T. :slight_smile:
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You may interpret my response as a 'cop out' since I will not be naming one party. I blame all three businesses:
    • The Retailer should not have old product in their store. They should have taken steps to move the product as it was nearing its 'end of life' (e.g., discounting, sending it back to the Wholesale Distributor, etc.)
    • For the case of a Wholesale Distributor that represents AB (or Molson Coors?) they remove old product from the retailers shelves so why not do so for all the craft breweries they represent.
    • The Brewery should operate just like AB and insist that their partner Wholesale Distributor monitor the retailers and remove old product.
    And since an end customer (beer consumer) is most likely to blame the brewery for selling them 'bad' product, the brewery should be most vociferous in rectifying the problem of old beer on retailers' shelves.

    John, this problem has existed for a long time and it just seems to be getting worse as the number of craft breweries constantly increase: 9,000+ craft breweries in the US right now and likely 10,000+ craft breweries by the end of the year.

    Either all three business entities are going to come together in one shape or form to recognize and decide to fix this issue, or not. If they choose not, the craft beer distributing industry is going to get less and less (and perhaps eventually none?) of my money. I will instead reward the ever growing number of small, local breweries in my area with my consumer business.

    Cheers!
     
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  5. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    It is simple. If you sell the beer make sure it is in good condition. I carried line cleaning equipment for years, knew how to use it and made lots of good customers even better customers by watching their food delivery methods. I have never taken beer for granted.
     
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  6. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Old Chicago Pizza?
     
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  7. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Yes. And in years past, they had a horrible reputation for not cleaning the lines; something I also blame the distributors for not doing.
     
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  8. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I hear you.

    What I've discovered over time, is that as a customer I have to just be ever vigilant. The last time I bought an old can of DIPA from Revision Brewing, I was pissed off on all kinds of different levels. First and foremost, I was mad at myself for not taking the time to take a closer look at the can I bought (I was in a hurry and just grabbed something from a brewery I knew and had a proven track record - they also have a "brewed on" date that I didn't see until I got home). Part of the reason I wasn't more careful, is that finding old beer on the shelf typically isn't a big problem in PDX, and those places where it is, most knowledgeable customers know about them. As it turns out, this was a store that upon reflection, I shouldn't have been surprised there was old beer on the shelf. That of course made me mad at the store in question, as this is clearly not something they take very seriously (letting old cans of beer languish on the shelf - I would add that this is also a premium local grocery store, with Whole Foods like merchandise and pricing). In this particular instance, I wasn't particularly mad at the distributor or brewer, though in retrospect, maybe I should have been (as the distributor clearly is aware of what stores in town aren't moving product very quickly - but as you pointed out, who cares, a sale is a sale). For that matter, it would be nice if Revision tried to exercise better quality control when it comes to the actions of their distributor (after all, Revision is a pretty big deal and a popular brewery here on the West Coast, so they have some clout).

    A story I've told before (my apologies if you've heard it before) involves a time I was in Ft. Bragg California and asked to take a look at a bottle of Deschutes Hop Henge DIPA before I bought it at a very reputable beer bar in town. The reason I asked, is that I was surprised it was available, as I didn't think Deschutes had brewed the beer in a while. The owner assured me it was fresh, as he'd just gotten in a case a couple weeks ago. I pointed out the "best by" date on the bottle, which was something like 10 months in the past. The owner was surprised and angry when I pointed out the date. He mentioned that he thought he could trust the distributor who had sold it to him, that he thought of him as a friend, and now he would have to rethink his relationship with the guy. I could tell this was not making him happy, and he wasn't at all pleased that I'd pointed out the problem. Unless I miss my guess, I believe he was also wondering how many other smart asses would notice the best by date, and for that matter, how many of his customers would even notice that the Hop Henge wasn't really all that fresh (and so maybe he wouldn't have to raise the issue with the distributor).

    It's a complicated world out there, and not everything is exactly black and white (like you suggested, I think there's plenty of blame to go around when it comes to pointing the finger at old stale beer sitting on the shelf). Frankly, the suggestion you made at the end of your post is the one that seems to make the sense to me, and in the long run, I think it's the solution that would be most beneficial to the industry as a whole. However, as long as most customers continue to buy old, stale product without batting an eye (and unfortunately, I think that's the case for the majority of the beer buying public), I don't see the problem being fixed any time soon.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If past 'performance' is indicative of future 'performance' I will unfortunately have to agree with you here.

    This is not a good look for the craft beer industry.

    Non-cheers to dirty/old beer!!
     
  10. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    There’s one in Garden City Sc, and it’s always a stop for us. Love their pizza and fresh Boy King, albeit in cans.
     
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  11. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Sugar is actually a great preservative.
    Honey lasts forever. Literally. There is honey that has been recovered from ancient Greek shipwrecks and it is perfectly OK. High sugar content protects against bacterial growth.

    High ABV also a great way to preserve food. So wine is mostly OK. Spirits are 100% immune to staling or bacterial growth.

    Beer OTOH is on a sweet spot where yeast and other nasties can take hold and wreak havoc.
    Cheers.
     
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