Co2 Hop Extract?

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  1. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I'm going to try and use some of this today, but haven't ever really messed with it.

    It's 61.1% AA.

    I'm looking around and finding that it's all close to the same and people use a generic formula when using it.

    At the pre boil 1.055 gravity I'm gonna have in a few, I'm looking for 40-45 IBU's from the extract at 60min. They are saying 10 IBU's per mL in 1.050 wort.

    I'm guessing around. 4.4 mL or so of this stuff.. hard to get it to input right in BS2 for me.

    Anyone got a better formula, or anything?
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  3. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    See, I'm not sure WHAT brand it is. Got it from Yakima Valley hops. I'm assuming it's the same stuff, as they sell the hop shot.

    Assuming it is.. it's similar to another sheet I've seen on the stuff.. So I guess I'll just go for my 4.5 mL of it and see what happens!

    Appreciate the calc, just flows with the rest of the hopshot and extract things I've seen.

    For what it's worth to anyone who looks here or googles. 4.5mL of the hopshot/extract is right on, .180 ounces. I have a pretty accurate precision balance scale I use for hops and water stuff.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What do you expect your final volume to be? For a final volume of 5 gallons, a pre-boil gravity of 1.055, Desired IBUs of 45, the Hop Jizz Calculator indicates 3.86 ml of extract.

    Cheers!
     
  5. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    Do you ever feel like you are "cheating" when using one of those types of products? Haha, seriously, idk if cheating is the right word... When I first started making extract batches I kinda felt like I was cheating insteada doing it all grain, see what Im saying? Personally I wouldnt want to use something like that unless I knew exactly what hops were in there. Always been intrigued by the idea of it though...

    Anybody ever make a batch with the hop-shot or similar product? How did it turn out? Would you use it again?
     
  6. AnthonyBeerdain

    AnthonyBeerdain Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2014 North Carolina

    If using hop extract is cheating, then Russian River cheats with Pliny.

    When brewing hop-heavy beers hop extract is definitely something to be considered, especially when you find yourself leaving behind 20% of the wort due to the slurry of vegetation left behind from all the hop pellet additions.
     
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  7. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I'm gonna be around 5.5 gallons finished, pre boil was 1.058, and I'm needing around 50-54 IBU's.

    I went with 4.5 mL... Or, I'm about too. :wink:
     
  8. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I don't think it's cheating at all. I actually look at it as super powerful hop's to bitter my hop heavy beers with. I wouldn't use it in a blonde, or a wheat, or anything that had.. just a few hops in there. I personally think that you NEED some vegetal matter in the beer while it's boiling. However, if you end up putting in a ton of hops in the boil, you WILL get some plant matter taste to the beer. It's something I'm trying to cut out on, and this is really just an experiment if you will.

    I'll always use whole leaf to dry hop, and I alway prefer whole leaf to pellet when I brew, but color me crazy, I'm loving the idea of extract to bitter. TONS of big craft guys use it in their highly hopped beers. Russian River uses it.. Ahem.. Heady Topper also uses it as well. #1 and #2 for IPA's.. I'd say it's not a bad product.
     
  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I just put it in the boil.. Wow.. I put it on a piece of foil, and it just slip right off when I held it into the boil.

    Fragrant as any hop I've used, you could SMELL it as soon as it hit the wort. I'm impressed. Easy enough to use, and it's clean. Even filling the 10mL syringes was easy enough with an 18g needle. I think I got around 15 of them, easy syringe is good for 100 IBU's roughly.
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    I got all that, and my 4.5 mL out of the can. Was still a little left in there, but tough to get out.

    My wife is bringing caps home for the syringes, and I'm gonna store them in the fridge until ready to use.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  11. Jay_Ulreich

    Jay_Ulreich Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2014 Indiana

    Very cool. I hadnt thought about it like that.
     
  12. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Just another tool in the shed.. If we were all about being straight cut, no extract or short cuts anywhere, we'd me malting our own grain, and using only homegrown hops in whole flower form. :wink:
     
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  13. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Well, I've got it chilled down to 60* and in the fermenter on a half cake of WY1217.

    Used Simcoe, Cascade, Goldings and Ahtanum in the boil.. It's damn bitter and fragrant as hell with some great hop oil slicks on top of the wort. Should be done in about 3 days, I'll report on the bitterness, since all of my actual hop additions were 10min or less.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Just out of curiosity, did you notice “after chilling I can see a lot of resin beads on the side of the kettle” like Kai reported?

    Cheers!
     
  15. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I didn't really notice that myself. I've seen un broken lupulin glands when I use whole leaf floating around in the beer. But I didn't notice much in the way of resin beads or other matter. I put all my pellet hops in a SS 300micron spider screen, so my wort was pretty clear coming out of the kettle.

    There was some hop matter in there, but mostly just break material as I got a killer hot break.
     
  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for your feedback. Kai made mention of “the fact that it doesn’t mix as well with the wort as pellet hops do” so I was curious about your experience with hop extract.

    Cheers!
     
  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Kai's a pretty smart guy, so I'm sure what he saw was correct, but I felt it mixed into wort just as well as any other form would.
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It always pays to hear experiences from multiple folks and I appreciate you sharing your personal experiences.

    In some ways every batch of beer is sometimes an individual experiment.

    Cheers to you for sharing your experiences with using hop extract!
     
  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    If you are using the technology to make your beer better, then I think you are working within the boundaries of craft brewing, artisanal brewing or whatever you want to call it. It's a way to get high bitterness without vegetal flavors and without diminishing recovery of the wort from the boil kettle. If you are brewing good beer, getting an extra pint or two out of the batch is a worthy endeavor.
     
  20. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Extracts of any kind aren't cheating, they're just different ingredients with which you can make tasty beer. Currently I'm making all grain 5 gallon batches at my bro's and 2 gallon extract/mini-mash batches at home. I would not think that many people could say which were which if I mentioned nothing about where they were brewed.
     
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