Complete guess - Winter Warmer

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  1. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    My friend wants to do a Winter Warmer, and I've never brewed one or even looked at recipes for them. I wanted to throw together a recipe that seemed like it would work, without looking at others.

    2 row 68%
    Flaked Barley 7%
    Biscuit 7%
    Aromatic 7%
    Special B 5%
    Special Roast 3%
    Roasted Wheat 3%
    SRM 28
    OG 1.066

    (8 GALLON BATCH)
    40 min Northern brewer 1.5 oz
    15 min Saaz .8 oz
    15 min Hallertau .8 oz
    IBU 31

    Probably using 1968 London ESB

    I will split it into 2 - 4 gallon fermenters and probably add some spices to one of them... Haven't looked into what kind.

    How do you think I did?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What are your goals, i.e. what do you want it to taste like? Winter Warmers can start with practically any base beer, within reason. Without knowing your goals, about the only advice I would offer is that 7% of Aromatic in any beer would be too much for my liking. A little goes a long way, and too much can be unpleasant.
     
  3. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    To me Winter Warmer = Burton Ale.

    This is a classic London Burton Ale recipe:

    1936 Barclay Perkins KK
    pale malt 2 row 3.75 lb 31.91%
    pale malt 6 row 1.50 lb 12.77%
    Mild malt 2.00 lb 17.02%
    Crystal malt 40L 2.25 lb 19.15%
    Caramel
    Flaked corn 2.25 lb 19.15%
    Northern Brewer 90 min 1.00 oz
    Fuggles 60 min 1.00 oz
    Bramling Cross 30 min 1.00 oz
    OG 1056
    FG 1017
    ABV 5.16
    Apparent attenuation 69.64%
    IBU 52
    SRM 20
    Mash at 148º F
    Sparge at 170º F
    Boil time 90 minutes
    pitching temp 62º F
    Yeast Wyeast 1098 British ale - dry
    Wyeast 1099 Whitbread Ale
     
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  4. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Vikeman - I am going for rich, malty. Sweet, but def not cloying. Big toasty, Mildly roasty, plenty of body (7% flaked barley good for that?) I am almost certain 1968 is the yeast for this one.
    I want some spicy notes from hops, as well as some classic Christmas spices to be present, noticeable, but not the focal point of the beer. I am at loss on how much spices to use. I will probably go with just cinnamon and nutmeg.

    I should also note that I have an Oatmeal Stout with chocolate malt and special b in the fermentor, and I want the two to def stand apart from each other.... So for one I should probably replace the Special B in the recipe with crystal 80?
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Sorry, got distracted for a couple days. You are describing something fairly close to Jamil's Old Ale (well, maybe not the roast part), which I have brewed (or something close to it) and it turned out very well. Do you by any chance have "Brewing Classic Styles?"

    (Not at home, so don't have my recipe handy.)
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Your recipe seems overly complex to me. Biscuit, aromatic, and special roast might layer well together, creating complexity, or might taste like mud. Do you know that each ingredient will bring something different yet complementary to the beer, or is it a shot in the dark? Also, what is the role of flaked barley in this beer? After lots of kitchen sink beers in my early brewing, I decided to try a more minimalist approach to focus on different ingredients. My experiences since have made me look at complex recipes more carefully to try to eliminate the superfluous ingredients. In this recipe, I would probably stick to one of those kilned malt, not all three, and I am not clear on the role of the flaked barley. Just one guy's opinion.
     
  7. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Flaked barley for body.

    ...I don't have Brewing Classic Styles, I'll look for Jamil's though
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Jamil's recipe is called "Old Treacle Mine." The recipe should include some Black Treacle. If it doesn't, it's not the one.

    ETA: I spiced mine with Nutmeg, Cinammon, Ginger, and Allspice. Look for Jamil's Pumpkin Spice Ale for an idea of how much spice to use (but not necessarily the base recipe). IIRC, I used about the same amount of spice, but eventually ended up re-spicing in the keg after the spices faded.
     
  9. markdrinksbeer

    markdrinksbeer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    Is the apparent attenuation below 70% on purpose? If so, was it due to constraints of equipment or yeast back then, or did they want to leave fermentables behind, as to not dry it out too much? Only asking out of curiosity and lack of brewing knowledge.
     
  10. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    The real FG would have been a bit lower. The recipe has the racking gravity and as this was a cask-conditioned beer that was aged for a bit - a few weeks maybe - before sale, the final FG would have been lower.

    Hang on. No need to guess. I have FG's taken in pubs. Average attenuation on those is 79%.
     
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