Contract/Host breweries

Discussion in 'New England' started by DrunkPagan, Sep 9, 2013.

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  1. DrunkPagan

    DrunkPagan Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Rhode Island

    I'm not sure if this is the right forum to post in, but I need a little help. I'm looking into contract/tenant brewing and I was wondering if anyone knew of any breweries in the Southern New England area that so that.
     
  2. Snellgg5

    Snellgg5 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 New Hampshire

    Not quite southern New England, but Shipyard in Portland Maine does contract brewing.
     
  3. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    FX Matt (Saranac) in Utica
     
  4. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Mercury Brewing in Ipswitch, MA
     
  5. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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  6. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Definitely this one, and another one north of Albany, NY, Olde Saratoga, is a large scale host too.

    OS contract brews
     
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  7. jbertsch

    jbertsch Pooh-Bah (2,874) Dec 14, 2008 Massachusetts
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    Since you're in RI, maybe your definition of "southern New England" is probably more limited relative to other people, so I'll assume Mercury In Ipswich MA is too far north for you. Buzzards Bay in Westport MA does contract work. Although Pretty Things is brewed there by Pretty Things themselves (gypsy brewing), I remember seeing from a tour there that Buzzards was contract brewing for Offshore Ale's presence on the mainland. And I believe they do some contract brewing for Narragansett as well.

    EDIT: It's also possible to do this at small brewpubs, such as Watch City in Waltham MA. http://watchcitybrew.com/our-brews/contract-brewing/
     
  8. emannths

    emannths Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    Check probrewer.com too
     
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  9. PicoPapa

    PicoPapa Pooh-Bah (2,049) Mar 6, 2009 Connecticut
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    Cottrell in Pawcatuck, CT.
     
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  10. DrunkPagan

    DrunkPagan Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Rhode Island

    Two Roads doesn't want to take on a Startup (which seems odd to me,) Buzzard's Bay is booked up, Mercury brewing is full up, I haven't heard back from the others. I'm going to visit the Cottrell brewery in a few weeks and see what they can do for me, if anything.

    Any more suggestions?
    Also if any of you have any good info on cutting packaging costs (I'm planning on going kegs/cans, no bottles,) or a good wholesaler of ingredients, I'd love to know. I need to somehow keep contracting/tenanting under $8000, or cut packaging and ingredients by about a grand a piece, or some combination thereof. You guys have been great so far, and I thank you all.
     
  11. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Now you really need to do your own homework. Asking consumers for advice on production? I'm sure there are other, better venues for this type of query. Emannths suggested probrewer.com. I'd check that if you didn't want to do something more professionally responsible.
     
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  12. DougC123

    DougC123 Savant (1,186) Aug 21, 2012 Connecticut

    It is pretty clear to me why a brewery wouldn't want to get tied up with a start up. They have limited time and resources, and if they can put those towards a going concern with known volumes it is way more effective than dicking around with a start up. Business 101.
     
  13. almalkin

    almalkin Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2004 Massachusetts

    I would highly recommend spending some time at probrewer.com and/or hiring a consultant who is familiar with contract brewing specifically. Looking at canning to cut packaging costs might be tough.

    Paper City Brewery in Holyoke, MA might be a good option to check into.

    Good luck!
     
  14. drocpsu

    drocpsu Zealot (613) Dec 25, 2006 New Hampshire

    They aren't open yet, but the 7th Settlement Brewery (brewpub) in Dover, NH is going to have a tenant brewery (One Love Brewing) operating in their space as well.
     
  15. pbrian

    pbrian Pooh-Bah (2,118) Feb 8, 2001 Connecticut
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    You could have started with that info...
     
  16. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    Beat me to it. I second this statement.
     
  17. robNSB

    robNSB Zealot (617) Oct 6, 2009 Massachusetts

    What's your brewery's goal? Put out one beer and then thats it? Boot strapping a contract brewing brand won't get you far or really be worth the time/effort it takes to even get a batch on the shelf. I suggest you talk with local contract brewers like Helder from Backlash, Chris from Notch, and so on about what it is like working in that type model. I would bet they would tell you to raise more funds and/or don't do it at all. 8k won't buy you much. Best of luck in your endeavorer.
     
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  18. DrunkPagan

    DrunkPagan Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2006 Rhode Island

    I'm planning to raise as much as possible, but I'm working up several scenarios at different stages of operating costs, batch sizes, etc. The $8k would be for a single batch, not counting raw materials and packaging, which easily doubles that cost right out of the gate, plus taxes, etc. But I'm prepared for the worst, and based on how I'm approaching this, even just getting one batch out will (hopefully) give me enough leverage to push forward with more. And I haven't even tapped my industry connections yet. By and large, this is a fact-finding stage.

    What I'd LIKE to do is find someone who will let me contract/tenant brew a batch size that I can afford, and be amenable to further cooperation. So far as I've found, most contract brewers are either looking for batch sizes that are ludicrously large (so only an established brewery can afford it,) or they're already booked up for the next year +.

    Based on the advice I've gotten here, I've been hounding contract brewers in the area, but some of them aren't even responding to me, either because of overloaded inbox's or what have you. However, we all have to start somewhere, and the numbers and quotes I'm getting from the people who WILL talk to me have been incredibly helpful. So, while most of this project is still up in the air, every answer I get helps me nail down more and more. This is why I turned to Beeradvocate, since every homebrewer has, at some point, thought of trying this. I figured you all might have access to information that I might not. And I am grateful for all the advice and answers you guys can send my way.
    With that in mind, latest update: Lion Brewery has a minimum of 10,000bbl per year for contract brewing. I don't even need to crunch the numbers with that many zeroes! For a startup, that's near impossible. Unless one of you has the winning Powerball ticket and wants to help me out.
    Still looking for more answers, and questions I don't yet know to ask. Thanks for the help so far, everyone.
     
  19. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    I'm not asking these questions expecting you to answer, and I don't intend to crap on your idea, but have you really thought through this? What experience do you have brewing, or have you just made up a recipe/idea that you think is a good one?

    That first batch may not come out how you want it to. Then what? Scaling up from a small/homebrew operation into a multiple-bbl batch requires more than just extrapolation. The first batch you make may not be any good, and you certainly shouldn't put all your chips on it.

    Kind of makes you think there may be a lot of people out there who think they have what it takes to break into the industry, doesn't it? They just need someone else who has already done the homework, taken the risks, invested the capital, and established a working system to do the actual brewing for them. Be aware of what you are asking. They've already paid their dues and are not still in the business because they have a habit of letting the client dictate the details of the transaction.

    You're right. You're not the only one who has thought they had this great idea. There have in the recent past been a few threads dealing with some specifics and containing some really good information from people who have done the research and been willing to share what they came up with. You should search for those threads, most of which will be in the Homebrewing subforum since that is where this seed of an idea usually germinates from. But there's not much of it really--folks who are serious about this have worked hard to get that information, and they don't take someone very seriously who just shotguns a general query out onto the webs and hopes to incorporate consumer opinions into their business model.

    My consumer opinion: this is the point where you hire a trained industry consultant. They will know what is possible and what is not, and they will have leverage with contacts that you will never build.
     
  20. jazzmac

    jazzmac Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2002 Connecticut

    Ummm...so you sell out of that first batch and it has great sell through at retail. What happens in the 4-6 weeks that you're out of product waiting on that second batch
     
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