Controversial Beer Opinions (Round Two)

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by TrashMax, Jun 8, 2020.

  1. davetharave

    davetharave Initiate (112) Apr 6, 2008 California

    We all have our opinions on flavors in beer, mine is that some flavors work well and some do not. I like chocolate and coffee flavors, I do not like pumpkin spice. A lot of fruits work quite well in beer, some do not. I brew strictly on the Reinheitsgebot except for my holiday beer which has the aforementioned coffee and chocolate. I like following the German 'law' because it challenges the brewer to develop flavors with just the four essential ingredients of beer.
     
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  2. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (3,105) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I would suggest
    -Brewers already brew what the public wants them to brew and you don't enjoy the same things as the consumers who drive the business
    -There has never been a time and place in the history of the world when/where there has been a greater variety of beer styles, and beer styles done well, than here and now
     
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  3. Summerteeth

    Summerteeth Initiate (147) Sep 29, 2012 Massachusetts

    Milkshake IPAs suck and dessert beers suck even more.
     
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  4. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (600) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    Yes. They've done stacks of primary research which has benefited everyone.
     
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  5. mrmattosgood

    mrmattosgood Aspirant (287) Nov 6, 2010 Canada (BC)
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    And the best part is: I couldn’t give a fuck less about IPAs.

    I don’t think “local” means better. If that’s how it read, that’s my bad. Often times, it’s not. Actually probably most times. We are pretty fortunate in New England and most other places to have great local options that are better than national brands.

    You are right about this, though: I probably am missing out on great beers from Founders and Bells, et al., but that bothers me very little. If I’m ever in Michigan, I’ll check them out (well, I mean, not Founders but you get it).
     
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  6. Bigrock

    Bigrock Initiate (170) Feb 4, 2013 Texas

  7. ESHBG

    ESHBG Devotee (443) Jul 30, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Mine is that most IPAs are good/world class by default. Most I find to be pretty boring and even the solid ones still don't blow me away. In many cases I would rather have a well made Lager or a few other styles than an IPA.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (5,751) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Ron,

    Can you please provide more insight on what is happening as regards Carlsberg Danish Pilsner? Did they universally perform an ‘update’ of this beer for worldwide distribution (or just a UK thing?)? Is this ‘new’ beer better in your opinion? Any other thoughts you have here?

    Cheers!
     
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  9. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    This is tremendously insignificant, but I get really fucking bothered when people bother to label the ABV at a .9 or a .1

    You REALLY couldn’t just round it down/up to a whole number just for packaging? I can understand the .9 more (kinda like the .99 cent ending in pricing). But going out of your way to say a beer is 5.1%? Jesus Christ bruh. No one cares. Any number with a .1 after it looks terrible design-wise on a label anyway.
     
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  10. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,531) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    The TTB, which enforces the Federal alcoholic beverage laws, cares.

     
  11. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (2,367) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
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    Holy shit I did not know that. Inventing the pH scale is like legit Nobel prize level shit. Also, I can’t believe that’s only been around for approx 100 years.

    You sir, get the gold star of the day for sharing this information.
     
  12. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,798) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    You were probably looking at much older records, but it would be interesting if you found out how they revamped their flagship's recipe last year as part of their "probably not the best beer in the world" ad campaign. (This is the same topic as @JackHorzempa ’s post.)
    First off, you don't have to mention that you have an Abt 12 in your right hand. We know there's always one there. Second, when I typed that post, I thought to myself, "If Ron reads this I'm in for it." Third, I thoroughly enjoy some blasphemy... and your writing makes it clear that you must enjoy some forms of beer blasphemy yourself (thankfully).

    It’s just not the beer for me. No worries Ron. We’ll always have Harvey’s... and Schlenkerla... and Malzmühle... and...

    Here’s what I’d like to know Ron - What well-respected beer do you not care for that would surprise others? Don’t say a New England Opaque "IPA" or what have you. Looking for an actual surprise.
     
  13. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    “a tolerance of 0.3 percent will be permitted, either above or below the stated percentage of alcohol.”

    JUST ROUND THE 0.1 DOWN. It ain’t a crime.
     
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  14. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (3,105) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I guess that saves ink? Maybe I missed it, what are the other benefits of rounding ABV up or down?
     
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  15. Lulah

    Lulah Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2020 Idaho

    Opinion: Not all beer is bad warm (at least lukewarm, warmer than that? eh...), even if you're sober when you start drinking it.
     
  16. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (600) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    I think it was just a relaunch for the UK. The Danish version is a different beer. It's stronger for a start. Not tried the new UK version. Come to think of it, I never had the old version either.
     
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  17. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (600) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    I don't care for Pannepot. Or any Struise beers, for that matter. Or De Dolle or Pantome.
     
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  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,531) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Supposed the is result is 5.5% - how can they round up or down and not get a decimal?
     
  19. Crusader

    Crusader Disciple (367) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    The obvious new aspect of the UK Danish Pilsner is the use of hop oil. They introduced a new brand in the last 2 years called Carlsberg Unfiltered in Sweden and Humle (hops) in Denmark, at 4.5% abv using hop oil (at least in Denmark the oil is made from Cascade) and wheat. So to me it seems like they used hop oil in the new Scandinavian beers the year before launching the reformulated UK Carlsberg (which doesn't use wheat however), trying it out in smaller markets. I don't see them rolling out the hop oil globally, other than maybe in select markets, a la the UK (for the regular Carlsberg beer of a particular market I mean, obviously it's already being used in other subbrands, see Unfiltered and Humle)? But who knows, maybe it's a stepping stone towards using hop oil on a larger scale in more markets in the future?
     
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  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Poo-Bah (2,083) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    New controversial opinion, oH was not 8nvented but merely quantified. An 8nvention is making something that didnt exist, and I assure you acid and bases were around long before beer.

    Framed in this light I agree. I just happen to live a bit farther from the locals I like than you.
     
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  21. deleted_user_1007501

    deleted_user_1007501 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2015

    that wasn’t what I was originally talking about in my “controversial” (more like petty) opinion. I think when breweries go out of their way to say a beer is 7.1% instead of rounding it down to an even 7% for packaging irks me. I’m okay with beers that have any other number after that decimal point. But the “.1” after any ABV I think is useless and looks dumb. Just my opinion.
     
  22. shand

    shand Poo-Bah (1,765) Jul 13, 2010 Florida
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    16oz cans are now seen as a "premium" packaging. Consumers will pay more per oz in a 16oz package than a 12oz.
     
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  23. MNAle

    MNAle Poo-Bah (2,412) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota
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    Oh, IDK about that. It could mean it is not a "session beer"! :grin:
     
  24. 1009

    1009 Zealot (543) Jan 20, 2019 Massachusetts
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    Oof flavored beers can be delicious if done right! A good shandy is so refreshing on a summer day.
     
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  25. OffTrail

    OffTrail Initiate (98) Aug 12, 2012 Washington

    You and Jimmy McGill.
     
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  26. John123will

    John123will Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2018 Indiana

    I agree. I hear a lot of people say they dislike flavored beers because they don't taste like "beer" but I think thats just them being reluctant to change. With that being said I have had some great flavored beers as well as some pretty terrible ones.
     
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  27. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,531) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Hmmm...I've had a few beers to which my reaction was "OOF"....:grin:
    (luckily, not many since I read the labels carefully and avoid the nonsense ingredients that fall under the "innovation" mischaracterization).
     
  28. John123will

    John123will Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2018 Indiana

    What Do you consider nonsense ingredients?
     
  29. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,156) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    My list of nonsense ingredients is essentially; whole baked goods, breakfast cereal, meat (excluding oysters), glitter.

    I think anything else.has potential to be used responsibly
     
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  30. John123will

    John123will Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2018 Indiana

    I can agree with that list.

    I also agree that anything else has the potential to be used but the emphasis is on potential since it is easy to go overboard with some adjuncts.
     
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  31. officerbill

    officerbill Savant (968) Feb 9, 2019 New York
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    Ingredient #2
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  32. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (6,374) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    oh, ok, so you're fine with money being used in the brewing process??

    :wink:
     
  33. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Poo-Bah (2,156) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Only dirty pennies
     
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  34. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,979) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I recall Ron saying on here he enjoyed Founders All Day IPA once. I found that surprsing.

    @patto1ro

    I had an English Mild yesterday, only 3.1% ABV. It qualified as a session beer.

    Unfortunately it had ".1" on the label, so I dumped it out.

    The only ingredient I require is brains. Unfortunately many breweries forget to use those.
     
  35. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,798) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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  36. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,798) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Just like the green glass that people here can't understand the logic behind. :slight_smile:
     
  37. FBarber

    FBarber Poo-Bah (6,374) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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  38. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,999) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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  39. jesskidden

    jesskidden Poo-Bah (2,531) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Getting more and more difficult to find, from what I hear.
     
  40. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,798) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Ouch. Good timing. :wink: I just had two De Dolle beers yesterday that really made me exceptionally happy (Oeral and especially Boskeun). Cheers.