Controversial Beer Opinions Thread

If by "under" you mean "incorrectly", then I'd agree with you. A Kolsch is not simply another word for a Blonde Ale. American brewers need to make note of that.

Same as American brewers calling their beers "lambic", "kriek" or "framboise", really. Most American brewers seem to be ***** with no want to respect the history and tradition of things, rather they simply want to use the name of it to profit from what it stands for.

 

I concur, even wandering around Köln for a couple of days hitting the breweries. Well, some were good with the food. I enjoy the Altbier in nearby Düsseldorf much more.

Edit - in the US pFriem's Kölsch was good for the style.

 

Hmm. I didn't realize there was Wieß as a precursor to Kölsch.
I see the e is after i so is there ie pronounced like an American i as weißbier or e?
I assume that it was simply the local brews following the old distinction of weißbier and braunbier (cold dried malt vs hot dried malt).
But I don't know if the local dialect had a different pronunciation.

 

ß is pronounced as a double "S" or "SZ" isn't it?

 

For passionfruit, just imagine you ate a fistful of roses (just the flowers, not the stems/thorns), then washed it down with orange juice, and then vomited it up.

By the way, I don't like passionfruit.

 

Europeans sure are stuffy with their definitions, eh?

 

Couldn't agree more. The amount of quality beers that are deemed shitty by people who just don't appreciate the style is mind blowing

 

Hey! What do you know, someone mentioned Altstadt. I haven't seen anyone else mention them. I also think their Kölsch is very good. I've thought largely everything from them has seemed very in fitting with the German examples.

Everything except for their Schwarzbier which I thought was bad.

It can be written as ss. Weiß is transliterated as Weiss.

I have no idea what the difference is in pronunciation between a single s and ss.

I guess in some cases a single s can be more like a z but 'ss' is always a hard s sound.

It goes both ways for a lot of things. The amount of shitty beers deemed to be high quality by so many people is mind blowing.

If a brewery churns out new beers with different flavorings I'll hear nothing but how wonderful they all are. Then I taste them and the beers are all ridden with flaws.

Although I do remember a review of a Pilsner posted by a friend. The text of the review said "It's really good for a Pilsner" but then he gave it 1 star...

 

When I looked it up I saw that Wieß was the local dialect for Weiß but I was wondering if it was actually pronounced as it was spelled or if there was something else. I wonder if the spelling was changed when the languages were brought together more.

In the past the weißbiers didn't really have anything to do with weizen. Someone COULD make a weißbier with wheat but it should also be all barley or rye or oat. It refered to the method the grain was made into malt nothing more. I believe the Gose also evolved from the old weißbiers.
A weißbier was made from pale malt regardless of the grain or which yeast used or any other ingredients.
A braunbier was made with darker malts regardless of which grain or other ingredient used.

But with the development of kilning and being able to heat dry malt without roasting it the old method of making white malt went away quickly because it took to long and did not create a reliable product.

But I'd guess the Kölsch tradition evolved from these early weißbiers.

 

The difference is this:
“Eiß/Eiss” sounds like “ice.”

“Eis” sounds closer to “eyes.”

Z is an entirely different story, and is a harsh sound that is tough for native English speakers to replicate automatically.

 

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Zee Germans?

 

I think that it would be illegal to call an English beer a Kolsch. Names are protected for very good reasons. Champagne must come from the Champagne region of France , Stilton cheese from the English Midlands, and so on.
Americans often see this as irrelevant but try to sell Texan beef as Arkansas steak

 

*Zhermans

 

I thought you were asking for comparisons to English pronunciation. I didn't realize you were asking what German letters a ẞ sounds like.

Yes in German a single 's' almost always sounds like an English 'z'.
A 'ß' or 'ss' makes a hard English 's' sound.
A German 'z' sounds like english 'ts'.

English 's' varies between a hard s and a soft s and a z.

 

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Is Kolsch-style not popular over there? If it is popular, what is it called?

 

I have never seen any. I am sure that it can be found of course