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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Kraz, Feb 14, 2018.
Barleywine is life.
Have you not tried/heard of the murky beers that are designed to be anti-bitter? Cuz they seem to have gotten very popular the few years.
Do you think that it is a coincidence that those two words came into the lexicon at about the same time?
Do you hate this or like it?
You mean mead? Mead is not beer, the only one that would count as beer is braggot.
I hate nitro!
They should have just asked for the beer menu.
The average craft beer consumer would disagree with you. As would the brewers who make IPAs.
Some marketing, yes, but certainly a response to what the consumer wants.
More diverse style wise? Sure. Better? Not really. WAY more first quality choices available today.
Again, a response to consumer demand.
So are old ones.
Hops should be treated as another ingredient in a beer instead of the main (or only) focus. The folk who obsess over receiving the biggest punch in the mouth are not fans of beer, necessarily, but hops. Not sure this is what the first craft brewers had in mind when they returned home from Europe.
When people expect an Imperial Amber Ale . . . ahem Nugget Nectar . . . to be really hoppy.
It’s not about bitterness, it’s about diversity and brewing. I think the craft brewing industry need to show they can make a diverse array of classic styles before they start inventing stuff that basically all the same. The brewing scene is pathetic and monochromatic.
I used to brew for a brew pub chain in th late 90’s. We had 10 taps and 10 different styles of beer. That’s what you did. Now if a place has 10 taps 8 would be some type of IPA.
“It took 30 years, but we’ve almost come full circle. Back in the ’80s, almost everywhere you went offered you a choice of light lagers, and maybe a Guinness or a Bass, and if you were lucky, a cream ale. Now most of the places I visit offer me a broad choice of IPAs, and maybe a couple of sours or saisons, and a couple of big dark ales. There may be a pilsner, if I’m lucky; it’s probably hopped to the gills.
It’s so boring! We’ve reached the point where brewers are stuffing things into IPAs to make them more interesting: grapefruit, peppers, ginger, lemons, blood oranges, flowers. One brewer had the tongue-in-cheek puckishness to describe his IPA as “beer-flavored.” I can’t decide whether I should salute or punch him in the nose.”
Trendy people/hipsters make going to a brewery suck. These are also the same people living off trust funds who can go to releases when 99% of the population is at work.
80% of that 99% is wasting their employers time checking out BA during said workday.
And the problem with that is?
Not sure that they had any of this in mind.
I have not read through this thread yet but I already love it . . . Long over due and this'll be fun for us.
I love Miller Lite !
Exactly. Beer consumers are idiots today
Diversity is the spice of life
Correction. All consumers are idiots today.
If you think this you're not looking hard enough. Just because there's a lot of IPA out there doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of other styles, too.
Consumers drive this industry. If you want to be successful, you've got to do what the public wants or do something specialized.
Don't know about "all", but definitely "most".
Haven't been paying attention, but...
You ruin the line people's lives getting 2oz of 6-10 beers
How do you mean? There are so many styles, and only focusing on one aspect seems limiting. Not to mention the whole "bigger is better" attitude, which I think might have something to do with American machismo (the same guys who brag about eating whole habaneros).
What I like about European styles is that they've had so long to find what works for them. Whatever was available used (I'd like to think many were result of accidents). There are many boozy, flavorful styles. I blame consumers, though. If your average American were better educated, and spoke up, we'd probably see more diversity.
I would certainly agree with this.
Again, I agree.
I have no doubt!
TWO people with a crush on me? Aren't I a lucky girl?
I think perhaps my location in California and dislike of "west coast" IPA/hops has tainted my perceptions!
Just commit to a pint of beer. The world won't end if you don't get to try them all.
Perhaps where you live, but not around here in SE PA. Take a look through some of the places around here. Nothing like 80% of the taps devoted to IPA.
I live and brewed in SE Pa. John Harvard’s. I also now travel extensively for work. There was way more diversity of style 20 years ago
Did you actually look at the link and check out some of the bars in the Philly area?
There is pleny of diversity and we are far away from 80% of taps being IPAs.
As for your memories of 20 years ago you may indeed be correct, but there's still lots of diversity here in SE PA.
This probably isn't all that inflammatory or controversial, but Younger is just an ok beer and there is no beer made that anyone with a clue should stand in a line that goes around the fucking brewery for.
I hope this veneration of children phase wraps up soon. Adults mentioning that they don't want kids in bars and certain breweries shouldn't be controversial. Alas...
I agree about kids in bars. It does not seem to be an issue in breweries at least in the beer garden. Wouldn't want them on tours, though.
Drinking any "craft beer" directly from can or bottle is a waste of time and money.
Disagree with the 90% number but there are definitely too many on the shelves.
Unless you live next to one of the few good brewers most local brewers put out a very mediocre product (but it will cost the same $$$).
There are a lot of people sitting on 5 years worth of must have ipa’s and barrel aged stouts (aging) that they will have to throw out.
When people talk about their steady 50 degree cellars they mean basement, old fridge in the garage,room temperature hallway closet, or cubby next to the fridge.
Also cicerone is a stupid name and I bet most true experts in beer knowledge would punch you in the face if you called them that.
Sounds like your complaint should be with the brewery, who adds enough hops to the beer for them to claim it's 93 IBUs and describes the beer as "...Excessively dry-hopped...an explosion of pine, resin and mango." - not to mention naming it as they did and using an illustration of a hop being squeezed until "juice" runs out on the label.
Barrel aged beers are overhyped in my opinion. Some are incredible, but I find most are just ok.