Controversial Homebrewing Opinions

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Prep8611, Jun 9, 2020.

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  1. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I definatly save money home brewing, and my set ups around 175 cash for eq. Run an gun, baby.
     
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  2. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Absolutely! Aside from new transfer/keg tubing and a few cracked auto siphons, I've been using the exact same equipment for the past 6 years – bayou burner, 16-gal kettle, 10-gal kettle, Igloo cooler and wort chiller.

    Having an arsenal of harvested yeast, and bulk purchase of hops is also a huge money saver.

    Confession though: I still don't own a grain mill... I need to start buying my base grain in bulk. Buying that shit online for every batch is where it hurts the most on cost.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That will indeed save you money. I purchase my Pilsner Malt (Weyermann typically) in bulk. I do still purchase my other grains from online shops (e.g., MoreBeer).

    But yes you will need to purchase a malt mill.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Also, check with local breweries on buying base malt, some times one can get base malt , by the sack, at a very good price.

    Grain mill for sure.
     
  5. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I'm sooooo sick of IPA types, hop types, and anything IPA. I like IPA's, but there are so many interesting beer styles and brewing processes out there. I cant wait for the next fad so I dont hear about them. Especially NEIPA. Oh yeah.... a cloudy IPA. Same flavors, different name. Phew, thats a load off my chest.
     
  6. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    One rule that always made me laugh was sterilizing the wort chiller the last 15 mins of the boil. That should be done in seconds.
     
  7. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Well, the main reason I browse those threads is get get ideas, so I kinda like to know the outcome.
     
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  8. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    Milk is pasteurized by either holding it for 30 seconds at 163 degrees F., or holding it at 145 degrees F. for 30 minutes. Ultra-pasteurized is something like 0.1 seconds at 212 degrees F.
     
  9. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Yep, I just dunk it in at FO and figure that does the trick.
     
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  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Here's my thought on that. Unless the entire chiller is submerged, part of it isn't being boiled. So you're relying on heat xfer through (up) the metal tubing and steam to do the trick on the exposed part. Fast forward... Water can condense on the exposed metal during chilling, and run run down into the wort. Therefore, I don't rely on a few seconds of boiling.
     
  11. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I suppose it depends a lot on the material your immersion chiller is made from: copper vs. SS. Copper is a much better conductor of heat and has it's own anti-microbial properties, so I don't sweat it. If I had one of those stainless steel ones, I might worry a bit more.

    Probably about 80% of my brews also involve some sort of hop steep/whirlpool things, so I figure the extended time will take care of it. As @Silver_Is_Money mentioned, above 140 for a bit will take care of it, and the condensation you'll get on the input part of the chiller is pretty much just going to happen well before you reach what we call the "Danger Zone" in foodservice (40-140*F)

    Maybe y'all have more efficient chillers than my homemade one, though.
     
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  12. Mikemcgrath4

    Mikemcgrath4 Initiate (0) Aug 16, 2014 North Carolina

    I'm gonna poke the bear, Extract is cheating. **shots fired**
     
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  13. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Even for starters?
     
  14. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Not really, because you're giving up fine tuning to get ease of use/accessibility. No one is going to say that the way Ford makes a car on an assembly line is "cheating" versus the way way Ferrari hand makes every car. It's a different outcome, for sure, and one can argue about function and form, but cheating?

    Another analogy may be IKEA furniture versus a custom made table utilizing rare wood. I'd much rather have the table made from a solid piece of mahogany, and have all the cabinets in the kitchen match, as well as other accents throughout the house, along with a marble countertop, but I need a place to eat dinner right now.

    Extract has it's role, and first and foremost its to learn how to walk before you run. Second, I have a (somewhat) full life, and sometimes, it's nice to bang out a batch from measuring liquor to finishing cleaning in 4 hours versus taking the whole day.
     
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  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Eh. I dunno. A couple (?) years ago, I analyzed all of the NHC winning recipes. There was only one that was extract (a Berliner Weiss). If it's (legal) cheating, competition brewers haven't caught on.

    ETA: I just looked it up. It was 2013. More than a couple years ago.
     
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  16. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    One could say that competition brewers tend to be all grain brewers, and therefore, there are far fewer extract brewers entering beers in competitions, especially one as prestigious as NHC.
     
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  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think there are probably a lot of extract beers entered in round 1, just like any other competition. But which beers are advancing to round 2? And then winning?

    ETA: Round 2 is where the prestige comes in. Anyone can enter round 1.
     
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  18. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    @VikeMan wow that sounds like my parties of old. if you pass judgement, yer always welcome back,,,, prestige,,,hahaahhahahaaha
     
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  19. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    On water, my controversial opinion is that sulphate and chloride levels make a much bigger difference than mash pH, but since I previously argued that a lot of what we think we know about brewing processes is probably hearsay, you should maybe take that with a pinch of (epsom) salt...
     
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  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    In my experience, brewers rarely pass judgement in person. Too polite. That said, I wouldn't mind tasting the belgian blueberry I've been reading about for years.
     
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