Converting extract recipe to all-grain?

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  1. priceisalright

    priceisalright Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2015 Ohio

    I apologize if this has been asked before, I just wasn't sure of the best way to search for what I'm looking for.

    I finally have an extract recipe that I've perfected and I really enjoy. I'm in the process of switching to an all-grain setup and I'm wondering how I can convert my recipe without changing too much. I believe that the only difference would be switching from DME to a grain bill, but I wasn't sure if there was a good way to do that.

    For reference, the extract I'm using is Briess Bavarian Wheat DME. On the Briess website they have some product information pages that list out the ingredients, so I was thinking that could probably help. I also use some steeping grains, so I wasn't sure of the best way to handle that.

    http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_PISB_CBWBavarianWheatDME.pdf

    Thanks!
     
  2. priceisalright

    priceisalright Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2015 Ohio

    So I guess what I'm asking is, what grain bill will give me similar results to Briess Bavarian Wheat DME?
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    65% Wheat Malt
    35% Pilsner Malt
     
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  4. priceisalright

    priceisalright Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2015 Ohio

    Awesome. Exactly what I'm looking for.
     
  5. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I often convert recipes for a friend who does extract brewing. Generally speaking (I emphasize 'generally'), for pale malt and pale extract, multiply the number of pounds of base malt by 0.75 to get the equivalent pounds of liquid malt extract. Specialty malts can be kept the same.

    If you previously boiled your hops in five or more gallons of water, you can keep the amount and timing of the hops the same, but if you boiled in a lesser amount you get a different amount of hop utilization and have to adjust the amount. Partial mash boils result in less hop utilization than full batch boils. There might be online calculators that do this (I use my own formulas) - look for the Tinseth formula, "bigness" factor, and the boil time formula.
     
  6. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    There is only one problem with converting this recipe that you've "perfected" - now it will taste better!!!
     
  7. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    The hard part is deciding if you should use Red Wheat or White Wheat. Think long and hard about that.
     
  8. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    All depends on which one is Bavarian-er
     
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  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  10. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I'm not kidding. As a certified connoisseur of wheat, I think it's important to appreciate the difference between them.
     
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  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The difference is so striking that Wyermann has been known to sell both simply as pale wheat malt.
     
  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    That's exactly why I won't buy wheat from Weyermann. Murricca grows superior wheat anyway.
     
  13. priceisalright

    priceisalright Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2015 Ohio

    Thanks for the info guys. Is there a conversion for going from 1lb of DME to an equivalent amount of grain?
     
  14. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    See my message above (#5).
     
  15. Dee_Lynn

    Dee_Lynn Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2016 Arkansas

    That conversion (.75) in post #5 was for LME (liquid malt extract). Briess Wheat LME is 79% solids and DME (dried malt extract) is 97% solids. That is a ratio of .75/.97=0.58. I have seen elsewhere that a ratio of 0.6 is used. So using that as a guideline, for each pound of DME multiply by 1/0.6=1.67 pounds of grain to replace it.

    Dee_Lynn
     
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  16. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Right - I posted the conversion for LME. The conversion usually used for DME is about 67% (I've also seen 60%).
     
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  17. priceisalright

    priceisalright Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2015 Ohio

    Great, thanks for all the info guys!
     
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