Could Adding Beer Sugar Help Increase Alcohol Level

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Aljossa, Aug 21, 2014.

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  1. Aljossa

    Aljossa Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2014 Serbia

    Hi to all,

    Here is another "problem" I've just faced during my last two batches of Kolsch. I've grind my malt too fine (what I won't repeat again). My Speidel Braumeister pumps were not too strong to fight the way through malt crushed so fine for water (and later wort). As a result of it I've ended up with ridiculously low OG (10 degrees Plato scale). I've transferred chilled wort to the fermentor and added yeast. Now, I'm thinking about how to save those two batches of 100 liters of beer (total)? I reckon that since there is not enough sugar from malt in the wort, yeasts will end up their job soon and leave me with the beer of very low alcohol percentage at the end. Based on previous experiences I think that I can expect FG of roughly between 3,5 and 4 what will give me alcohol content between 3 and 3,5 % what is unacceptable.

    Can I solve the problem by adding some beer sugar during fermentation, and if yes, what formula I could use for calculating amount needed? Tnx!
     
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  2. ThomP

    ThomP Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2007 Texas

    Please explain what "beer sugar" is? do you mean Malt extract?
     
  3. Aljossa

    Aljossa Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2014 Serbia

    Sorry, that's the term we use here localy. I meant corn sugar or any other sugar which is used in beer brewing.
     
  4. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    corn sugar does not equal malt extract (dry or liquid). Corn sugar will increase alcohol and dry out your beer because it is generally 100% fermentable.

    Malt extract will also increase alcohol, but will have some longer sugar chains that are not fermentable as well, and as a general rule won't dry out your beer (not 100% fermentable).

    Malt extracts vary, so which particular one you use will make some difference as well. I assume you're talking light or extra light here, but that wouldn't change my comments much. Obviously using amber or dark extracts would significantly change the character of your beer, particularly when compared to corn sugar of equal fermentability. That does not mean I'm against amber or dark extracts, BTW, just that they are not the same as light/extra light, or corn sugar.

    Most things that are essentially single unit sugars will be nearly 100% fermentable. Honey, almost completely fermentable. Molasses, many other sugars, mostly fermentable. Some sugars may have a slightly lower % fermentability (perhaps treacle or belgian candy sugar, I don't know the stats off hand), but will still mostly be fermentable. They are all considerably different than malt extract.
     
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  5. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Two things...

    - Sugar additions during fermentation will increase ABV.
    Calagione's Imperial Pale Ale recipe is one example.
    Duvel is another.

    - After fermentation has finished...partial freezing...a la Eisbock...will increase ABV and reduce batch-size at bottlin'time.
     
  6. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Sounds like you are saying that your original gravity was low, so you expect your ABV to be low. Therefore, you'd like to boost the abv by adding sugar to the beer during fermentation. Yes that will work. 1.040 OG (roughly 10P) sn't too low for a kolsch, I like 1.048 (roughly 12P) myself. So if you wanted to boost 100L of 1.040 kolsch to 1.048, you'd need to add 2.2 kilograms (4 pounds, 8 ounces) of corn sugar.
     
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  7. benetoh

    benetoh Zealot (536) Feb 2, 2008 New Jersey

    Malt extract may make your beer taste better than just a bunch of corn sugar. If you are worried about cost, perhaps try a combination.

    Whatever you do, you should makensure your additions are sanitized by boiling some water, shut off the heat, then add the malt extract (or sugar) stirring until dissolved, and then allow it to boil again for a few minutes. Cool, and then add to your fermenter.
     
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  8. Aljossa

    Aljossa Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2014 Serbia

    Hi Koopa!

    My previous Kolsch batches were with OG between 12.7 and 13. Very consostent. That OG at the end gave me some 4.5% alcohol, what is desired target.

    Upon what @AlCaponeJunior said above, I think that I'll go with some kind of molasses extract. I have access to following product:
    https://www.brouwland.com/en/our-pr...other-additives/d/brew-body-1-kg#.U_cEgNkay0c
    I think that could work... Will add two kilos in few days from now. Boil some water, add this malto-dextrine, cool it to 20 degrees Centigrade and pour it into fermentor. Hoping that could save the day!?
     
  9. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Hello Aljossa,

    That product you linked is maltodextrin, which is not fermentable by beer yeast. Therefore it will not increase the alcohol content of your beer. What it is designed to do is increase the body / mouthfeel of the beer by adding loads of dextrins (unfermentable sugars that actually aren't very sweet). I believe what Al Capone Jr was recommending is Dry Malt Extract or Liquid Malt Extract. It is "instant wort concentrate" so to speak. You may have heard of "Extract Brewing" and, if so, the extract used for extract brewing is what I'm speaking of. If you opt to add this, you'd want the "light", "pale" or "extra pale" color one for a Kolsch.

    I believe he recommended it because adding 2 kilo's of corn sugar (a fairly substantial addition which will be roughly 10% of your total fermentables) to your 100L batch will have a drying / thinning effect on the beer due to it being 100% fermentable. Dry Malt Extract or Liquid Malt Extract will behave as regular wort will. It will be less than 100% fermentable, adding a small amount of dextrins along with a good amount of fermentable sugars. As for molasses, it will leave a flavor of its own in the beer which wouldn't be consistent with a Kolsch. I wouldn't recommend using it.
     
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  10. MrShake

    MrShake Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2013 Illinois

    IMHO, call it a session kolsh, and brew another batch... a low ABV doesn't make a beer "unacceptable"
     
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  11. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    Agree. 10P is not a "ridiculously low OG" for a kolsch. If it was my beer, I'd leave it alone and settle for a slightly lower ABV beer than I planned--not always a bad thing. Adding sugar and pumping up the alcohol might give you a boozy finish that is not at all to style.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    He might mean unacceptable to his customer. IIRC this is the guy who is already selling his beer in whatever undisclosed craft beer starved country he lives in.
     
  13. Aljossa

    Aljossa Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2014 Serbia

    Understood. That's why I've just bought 2 kg of pale malt extract and plan to "ditch" it in the fermentor in the beginning of second week of primary fermentation.

    Will keep you posted.
     
  14. Aljossa

    Aljossa Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2014 Serbia

    People here do prefer beer's with alcohol levels between 4% and 5%. Bellow is "unacceptable" bcs it's too "weak", above is not customer's taste. My first batch of Kolsch was 3,5% and it was widely rejected by people I used as "focus group" as "weak" or "too light" but not color-wise.
     
  15. Aljossa

    Aljossa Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2014 Serbia

    By all the coments here I've understood that adding sugar isn't move in the right direction. Never the less, I'll try with adding some pale malt extract. If I'm wrong then I'll have 100 liters of average or bellow average beer, which I'll have to find the way for selling it. Probably in kegs as a "party beer".
     
  16. Aljossa

    Aljossa Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2014 Serbia

    Craft beer is huge in the US, Germany, UK, Belgium, maybe down under too. In the rest of the world it's making first (baby) steps. In country where I live (Serbia), it is just the same situation like in many other countries around the world. So, we are hungry of knowledge and we learning while working. Sometimes try and error method, and sometimes advices from online community. I'm one of those guys who are going through that kind of learning curve.

    And it's not "undisclosed". Just nobody asked, so I didn't feel the need to explain.
     
  17. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    So you're a commercial brewer? I would suggest you seek advice from other professionals who are using similar equipment. The kinds of things we would do as homebrewers aren't necessarily going to scale up to professional equipment.
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think he's brewing 50 liter batches. Hyper-Nano. If so, I'd say he's in the right place.
     
  19. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I recommend following the first advice from koopa: add sugar to boost the OG. Some of the best beers in the world have simple sugar added, consistent with the ratio he advised. Your FG will remain unchanged but your alcohol level will get a boost, I feel no danger of a boozy-beer if you keep it in this moderate range. Adding pale male extract will add alcohol and some body, but the amount will be harder to predict.

    If you go the sugar method the time to add is right after high krausen. Boil the sugar (sterilize), cool, and pitch . . . I never bother to stir and on my 20L system the yeast find all of it. Corn sugar is chemically identical to cane sugar, use which ever is available/cheaper.
     
  20. Aljossa

    Aljossa Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2014 Serbia

    Well, I'm selling my beer. But I'm brewing in Speidel Braumeister 50 liters. It is two brews a day of a same type of beer, three to four times a week. It is hard work, but i hope that within a year I could cross to 200 liters Braumeister. Equipment I'm using is still in "homebrew" level, and that's why I'm looking for answers here.
     
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