Craft Beer Marking

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by AZBeerDude72, Jul 15, 2016.

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  1. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I only have an issue if there seems to be a hesitation on any forward movement to define something. So if a said group is hesitant to or influenced not to then I feel they are not the folks to define anything. Once you are bought your opinion to me is flawed.
     
  2. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Budweiser is an amazingly well crafted beer. To produce the amount of that product, in as many different facilities as they do, and for us to not be able to tell which of their factories it came from by taste alone, is the sign of a very well crafted product. It's a well crafted product that I don't like, but plenty of people do. For me, a lot of this boils down to the use of the word "craft" to begin with. As mentioned, there are plenty of small, independent breweries that are putting out bad tasting beer, while the Big Guys are cranking out lots of well-crafted brews that are technically flawless, if rather soulless. I'd prefer if we went back to the term 'Microbrew", I think it better declares the brews we here on a niche website prefer.
     
  3. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    This reply seems to say you really have not investigated prior work on this topic at all.
     
  4. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I know it when I see it.
     
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  5. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,560) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    Then I'd certainly see where something identifying a brewer as a small business would meet what it sounds like you are talking about. American Express does that small business Saturday thing after Black Friday, perhaps whatever they have decided means "small business" could be the criteria for brewer as well.
     
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  6. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    Again to me I don't feel the mark is a stamp of approval that hey, this beer is going to bring you to tears of joy LOL. The mark is to indicate that the maker adheres to a set of rules that allow him/her to use the tag on the bottle. Does that mean their beer is the best, no. But what this does is allow a group of shoppers to say hey, that mark means they are smaller, or craft, etc. So when a person goes to the store and sees "Hippy Hop" Beer on shelf with some cool can that is painted all pretty that is made by the big boys they understand this is just another watery joke. I feel there is a lot of misleading going on to sway the buyer, can't you agree?
     
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  7. gopens44

    gopens44 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,560) Aug 9, 2010 Virginia
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    This is how I respond when someone asks me to define hipsters and douchebags.
     
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  8. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    The very purpose of advertising! :grinning:
     
  9. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I don't know if I'd go that far as to say it's well crafted. It's well made, for sure; it's a 'quality' beer as brewers define the term. But there have been and still are better (i.e. more characterful) AALs being made, ones that make you appreciate the style. Bud has had the hops focus-grouped out of it over the years, and it's pretty insipid as a result.
     
  10. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    THEN FFS COME UP WITH SOME RULES - JUST FOR FUN

    Otherwise posting again and again about this vague notion of mom and pop and craft playas on one side, and big business on the other, and hinting that the brewers association has been "bought" - just seems like highly skilled trolling (which I'm being sucked into like a total mark so nicely done)
     
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  11. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    True. I have had lots of offerings from macro companies that are trying to make "craftier" beer. Blue moon's belgian table pils and pabst old tankard. Genesee has a new line so is it craft? It includes my favorite new beer this year the North German Style Pilsner .
     
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  12. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    OK, you have hit the nail on the head with my thoughts. Yes, the big guys do their job and do it well, they make flawless water over and over and over to the masses. That is what I am after. I want them to define who they are and stay there, then we have the other guys (Micro_brew) that do the rest. I guess what I feel is that the Bud people are pretending to be more, I have no issue with them or what they do, the issue I have is this false pretense to be small craft with sneaky marketing or cans. So this is what I hate, it is fine to say who you are and make what you make, just stop marketing new lines to be something else. You have to admit that there is a real effort to be this mythical Craft beer? What is very interesting with all these posts is that everyone says "What Is Craft" But we all sort of agree the big guys are trying to be this invisible guy? If craft is not definable then what are Bud and the rest making lines of beers that mimic this invisible animal. Seems like Craft does exist then.
     
  13. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    How am I trolling, I asked an open question and the very first thing I said is if this has been hashed before please don't bash me. I never once tried to be anything else? I admitted I am newer to board and was very open about that in my OP? Sorry if I have a passion for beer, guess me talking about the taboo is now forbidden here? Conform or be gone right? LOL
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I can't agree with that statement. IMO a number of craft breweries that have been purchased by the "big boys" produce high quality beers. I am personally a fan of Goose Island Sofie for example. Another example(s) would beers from Elysian Brewing. Some other examples would be ...

    Cheers!
     
  15. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    What makes them so special? The guy who drives the Miller truck has a family to feed as well.
     
  16. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Spaten!!!
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have to disagree with that statement as well. Breweries like Goose Island, Elysian, ... are not longer considered to be craft brewers via the Brewers Association definition but those beers are still craft beer as far as I am concerned.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    When did I say to eliminate Miller? I never said that once. What I would respond with is make that same statement to a family who opened a brewery and lost everything because Miller sucked up their share, I think the big boys will be just fine, they bought the market, they own the lobbyists, they are never going away. I would be more concerned with all the families of small places fighting to keep doors open with the onslaught of big beer.
     
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  19. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,045) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    Craft brewers produce old style beers from back before corporate big beer took over and monopolized the industry with corn adjunct lagers. If the brewery makes more than adjunct lagers and actually produces older styles, whether traditional or innovative, it could be defined as craft beer imo. When we talk about size, we're talking about the large craft brewers no longer being called craft, and I don't think that is right, unless maybe they sold their company to a corporate buyer with little interest in the customers.
     
  20. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    No need to conform - the opposite actually - share some actual ideas. The big boy vs mom&pop craft hero stuff is old and implies the beer scene is black and white. It's not
     
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