Craft Beer Marking

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by AZBeerDude72, Jul 15, 2016.

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  1. LongBallLarry

    LongBallLarry Aspirant (221) Feb 7, 2016 California

    Even if there were to be a consensus on what is craft and a logo created, which consumer would it help? If the average buyer doesn't know what isn't craft then a logo won't help either.

    In the end, there is no way to create a utopian label.

    Just enjoy the golden age of beer.
     
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  2. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    As a marketing angle I can sort of see where he's coming from, but I don't see there's any way of pulling this off in the real world. Absurdly impractical to try define something as "real" craft.
     
  3. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    While I can understand your slightly cynical view of this, I don't agree with your thinking.

    Through a chain of circumstances too detailed to explain here, I once had the opportunity to spend 3 nights as a guest in a monastery, not Trappist, in Germany. Having had that rather eye-opening experience with a lifestyle and way of thinking about the world completely foreign to me (as a non-Catholic and as an active, engaged participant in the world around me). So I simply do not accept that the motivation of the Abbots and monks involved in forming the Trappist organization had to do with protecting market share. (Especially when there was already more market demand for their particular beers than the monks were willing to try and satisfy. Their market share was/is safe whether the certification is in place or not.)

    So we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
     
  4. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I have thought that some of my clearest thinking at the time was perfect.
     
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  5. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Slightly cynical? Slightly cynical? My friend I've been called a good many things without the modifier slightly being used.
     
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  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Hmmm, seems you've mellowed with retirement. :-)
     
  7. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Good beer helps.
     
  8. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    This is where your argument falls apart. Flashy packaging and your opinion on what is good or a "watery joke" is the most subjective assessment I have seen proposed. Plenty of flashy and perhaps non watery jokes fall fully under the "craft umbrella."

    And some sort of designation on my Ayinger???
     
  9. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I am not saying catchy advertising is a bad thing when done honestly. What I was trying to paint was that a obvious non-craft guy painting themselves as such. I understand the wealth of cheesy beer cans with craft guys my aim was that the guys playing games with it. If you walk down isle in store you see all these cool new cans of beer, most come from massive companies selling the image is all I wanted to say.
     
  10. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    I see what your are saying but your are trying to define a subjective topic beyond what the BA has attempted to do (albeit still controversial). I guess it would be hard for me to truly try and differentiate for the consumer a difference between things like Lagunitas which have fallen off that list from other larger craft like SN. If you're trying to "protect" or "alert" the consumer, you really aren't. A windmill not worth tilting.
     
  11. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    No, I am not so much concerned about the end user. I think my entire goal was to give a sort of acknowledgement to those guys working hard to make a great product. I am lucky to have a bunch of local breweries around my house, I can go any direction and hit one, its a blessing. I have become in a weird way part of keeping what they represent alive so to say. I just feel that they produce a great product and give back to the community with jobs and also growing new breweries. I am not on some attack per say towards others or large guys who sold to major makers. I guess I just want to strive to keep the pureness of what it was all about alive some way. I guess like others said I can mince words and maybe I don't write well what my mind says, it is a passion towards beer that just makes me want to keep the small guy in the game.
    In the end beer people know good beer and need no help I get it. I just aim to keep the passion alive and well, seems like all the time great companies sell and then we lost another local guy to corp America.
     
  12. GrumpyGas

    GrumpyGas Grand Pooh-Bah (4,579) Apr 7, 2009 Illinois
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    I am unaware of any such "attack".
    Just because inbev wants to remain competitive, and chooses to do so by investing in smaller breweries or producing smaller batches of 'new' brands to label as 'craft' brewed, does not mean they are 'attacking' any more than their market share already does.
    I like good beer. If miller wants to make some, great.
    For example, it is disingenuous to complain about 'that great beer' one has been enjoying, just because one feels duped into having bought it from anheuser.
     
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  13. GrumpyGas

    GrumpyGas Grand Pooh-Bah (4,579) Apr 7, 2009 Illinois
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    I can get behind that sentiment, but don't be fooled. The little guys brewing down the street knew exactly what they got themselves into and supporting them is similar to, and as simple, as supporting your neighborhood pub or restaurant by passing by the chains. Go to the local breweries you enjoy and buy their beer. Go to your favorite liquor store and buy your favorite beer. Tell your friends to do the same.
    Enjoy!
     
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  14. GrumpyGas

    GrumpyGas Grand Pooh-Bah (4,579) Apr 7, 2009 Illinois
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    Interesting writing. The point stands: if you like it buy it and enjoy, if you don't like it go somewhere else. The only way for consumers to ensure that somewhere else exists is to spend or refrain from spending money. The brewer down the street still has to make a good product.
    Thank you, @AZBeerDude72 for helping to increase our knowledge.
     
  15. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I only added this because I feel it validated in a way what I presented in my OP but said so much better since I am not a wordsmith. LOL
     
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  16. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona

    I guess an identity like a label would be bad, I mean why make it hard for big beer.
     
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  17. PourMore

    PourMore Crusader (462) Oct 4, 2014 Florida

    There's a place for designations but something as broad as craft beer is not one of them. German beer laws set aside a particular set of beverages. The "Trappist" definition sets aside a particular set of breweries. But there is no such thing as "real" craft beer.
     
  18. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Some people need to learn critical reading and thinking skills. This article is intentionally hyperventilating (phrases like "corporate overlords" and "sell out" should be a red flag this is not objective journalism) and is filled with what is charitably called half truths (or, unless the author is an idiot, outright lies), starting with the first sentence:

    "When the massive Anheuser-Busch InBev-SABMiller merger is complete, the resulting company will own over 400 beer labels, including 8 out of America’s top 10 brands. "​

    No, it won't. In fact, AB-Inbev will hardly own ANY more brands in the US market than it does now.

    The article's point about distribution is about the only legitimate one, IMO. The rest is mostly just business, not evil in action.

    The fact is, the AB-Inbev-SAB Miller merger has nothing to do with the American market.
     
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