Craft breweries not labeling net contents

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  1. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Just this week I came across two craft breweries (that i won't name) who are packaging their beer but not listing the net contents of the container on their label. As I understand it that fails to comply with the United States Dept. of the Treasury's Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau's requirements and noted below:

    "Net contents must be expressed in American measure but may also be expressed in metric measure"
    https://ttb.gov/beer/bam/chapter1.pdf

    Three questions:
    1 - Have you seen this yourself?
    2 - Why? I see no reason to not label it; and it seems like a hard thing to just miss.
    3 - How did they get label approval? Or am I missing something...
     
  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Possibly because of this exception to the regulation?
     
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  3. teal

    teal Zealot (589) May 3, 2012 Wisconsin

    1. I've not noticed. To be honest, I rarely look at labels unless it's exceptionally neat art.
    2 and 3 - could be Jesskidden's answer.
     
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  4. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    No, these are just cans but that certainly did occur to me, I was even going to mention that in my initial post.

    I should also note, one brewery uses a printed can that has no volume listed and then they put a sicker on it to designate the brand. The other one is just a blank aluminum can that then has a full wrap-around pressure sensitive label. In either case they'd still have needed federal and state label approval so I find it very odd. These are also not the only examples I've seen but I can't remember the other two that I saw a while back.
     
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  5. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    Were there stamps on the bottom of the cans indicating volume/ABV? I remember a brewer telling me recently that the laws have shifted slightly around labeling, affording brewers the chance to have less on the label as long as they stamped that info on the bottom.
     
  6. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Did you purchase directly from the brewery, or in distribution? I know of at least one brewery who sold completely blank cans over the bar for small batch releases.
     
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  7. erway

    erway Crusader (478) Jul 28, 2006 New Mexico


    Many states do not require you to get COLA to distribute within your own state. So unless the brewery is distributing outside of their own state, the COLA would not be required.
     
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  8. kool-aid

    kool-aid Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2017 Vermont

    Could it be due to variance in fill level? Maybe they're worried that low fill cans could throw off their volume measurement and thus make the label considered false or misleading.
     
  9. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    No, nothing on the one, and only fill date and time on the other.

    Yes, at the brewery. That, however, I find completely odd.

    So this might be the answer although I find it hard to believe that the Federal law would still not need to be enforced.
     
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  10. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, the regulations are pretty confusing:

    According to TTB Ruling 2013-1

    The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) has been asked to clarify whether brewers are required to obtain a certificate of label approval for domestically bottled malt beverages that will be sold exclusively in the State in which they were bottled. The regulations implementing the Federal Alcohol Administration Act do not require a brewer to obtain either a certificate of label approval or a certificate of exemption for a domestically bottled malt beverage that will not be shipped or delivered for sale or shipment into another State. Regardless of whether a domestically bottled malt beverage will be sold in interstate commerce, brewers must comply with all applicable marking, branding and labeling requirements under regulations implementing the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 for all beer removed from the premises, and must comply with the health warning statement requirements imposed by the Alcoholic Beverage Labeling Act with regard to alcoholic beverages manufactured or bottled for sale or distribution in the United States.

    We remind brewers that they must comply with the marking, branding and labeling requirements for all beer removed from the premises under regulations implementing the Internal Revenue Code of 1986. See 27 CFR part 25, subpart J.
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    Title 27 › Chapter I › Subchapter A › Part 25 › Subpart J ›
    § 25.142 Bottles.

    (a)Label requirements. Each bottle of beer shall show by label or otherwise the name or trade name of the brewer, the net contents of the bottle, the nature of the product such as beer, ale, porter, stout, etc., and the place of production (city and, when necessary for identification, State).
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    Have you checked the actual COLAs (if they exist) for those unnamed brewers' beers? Often exceptions or "use-up" permission are noted on the actual approval.
     
  11. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I really don't think the regulations are so confusing myself, but I do think that that's the issue. Confusion - not ignorance or disregard. Or, perhaps just simple lack of attention to detail.

    I think that they're treating these packaged products almost like growlers, which they're not as they are pre-packaged.

    I also thought about the "use up" exception where they're allowed to use labels that were mistakenly printed, etc. but then I have to question who's stupid enough not to put the volume on it in the first place?

    Regardless I haven't checked on any specific COLAs because that's not my issue, I'm looking at this as more of a trend - however only one person has stated that they've seen it before so maybe it is just a coincidence of a few specific items that I happened to come across in about a month and a half or so.
     
  12. puboflyons

    puboflyons Grand Pooh-Bah (4,299) Jul 26, 2008 New Hampshire
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    I really don't look that closely at the "net contents." I'm more interested in the style and the date.
     
  13. erway

    erway Crusader (478) Jul 28, 2006 New Mexico

    With 69 (as of May 2017) inspectors regulating over 20,000 industry members, the TTB has a lot more pressing matters than a brewery releasing a beer without net contents listed. Not saying the brewery shouldn't do it... They certainly should, but it's not the end of the world and would likely result in a very light slap on the wrist by the local and/or federal regulators.
     
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  14. McFinniganOfTheFinnigans

    McFinniganOfTheFinnigans Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2017 Maine

    I care more about dating cans and bottles.
     
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