Critique my Imperial Stout

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  1. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

    This will be my first shot at an all grain beer & I'll be doing BIAB. It's a small batch, just 1 gallon as I haven't upgraded to a bigger kettle yet. I'm gonna brew this once as a base and then again to add cardamom, cinnamon, ginger & vanilla for a sort of chai version. I'm looking for something thick and roasty, hopefully not too far from a Zhukov esque profile-- looking to brew in a few days so any critique would be super helpful, thanks in advance!

    BIAB
    Imperial Stout
    Boil time: 60'
    Est. efficiency: 60%
    Batch size: 1 gallon
    Boil size: 1.5 gallons
    Mash temp: 152
    Mash time: 90'

    Est OG: 1.108
    Est FG: 1.023
    Est ABV: 11.08%
    IBU: 82.65

    2.5 lb 2 row- 48.9%
    .25 lb black malt- 4.9%
    .25 lb special b- 4.9%
    .25 lb flaked oats- 4.9%
    .5 lb caramel/crystal 150- 9.8%
    .5 lb roasted barley- 9.8%
    .75 lb chocolate malt- 14.6%
    .125 lb lactose- 2.4%
    Total: 5.13 lb

    10g magnum @ 60'

    Yeast- packet of rehydrated US-05
    Ferment @ ~64F

    Water profile- I haven't tried altering water profile before so am planning on just using distilled


    Thanks again, prost!
     
  2. Jaguar10301

    Jaguar10301 Crusader (423) Mar 1, 2010 Maine

    My only suggestion and I'm sure plenty use 2-row but I always go with Marris Otter for my base 2-row. It's english, but that might not be what you are going for. the black malt is that like black patent?

    but yeah looks pretty good. I've never tried lactose, that's usually used in like a milk stout right?
     
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  3. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

    Yeah the black malt is black patent- and I've heard people recommend maris otter but I'm not sure what the difference would be taste-wise, more biscuity maybe? I figured the American 2 row may be cheaper, that was my only thinking there.

    Yeah, the lactose is usually for a milk stout, and I may cut it from the base version and only use it with the chai adjuncts. Just wanted to be sure to have a thick and creamy feel.
     
  4. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I would up the 2 row by 1 lb and cutdown the specialty grains so you have no more than 1 lb per specialty grain for 5 gallon batch.and I also prefer marris otter for my IRS. That is who I like it. Don't know about the lactose.

    Marris otter is more expensive but you can get a nutty thicker taste than standard 2 row.
     
  5. Mongrel

    Mongrel Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Maryland

    Seems high on the black patent, especially paired with roasted barley and chocolate malt. I've gotten ashy, astringent flavors from too much black patent. I'd pare it down to 2-3%
     
  6. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

    @GormBrewhouse, why limit specialty grain to 1/lb? I've read some things about Cigar City using less than 50% base malt for big stouts, that's why I tried to aim around there.

    I'll switch to Marris though definitely. As well as lower the black patent, I was thinking that may be a bit much. Same for the special B, I don't want it to get too fruity.
     
  7. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    I've never done a RIS, but the high specialty grain to base malt ratio is the first thing that jumped out at me as well. Glancing at a few different online RIS recipes, it looks like the specialty grain to base malt ratio is usually more in the 1:4 to 1:5 range. I'd echo what @GormBrewhouse said.
     
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  8. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    Do you only boil off .5 gallon in an hour?
     
  9. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    I agree with the other posts. You currently have about 30% dark malts (black, RB, chocolate), thats a lot. I would cut that about in half. I'm not a fan of lactose, but that's a personal preference. US05 is a good choice though.
    If using distilled, your water is going to be pretty acidic with all those dark malts. You might run into some conversion problems. Might be good idea to add some baking soda, or slaked lime, or chalk. You should try something like Brewcipher to get an idea of your water profile.
     
  10. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

    @Supergenious, I'll take a look at altering the water profile, I guess I just have it in my head that it would be above my current level but I'll check it out.

    I've edited the grain bill based on the comments, so here's a revised version:

    3.5lb marris otter- 74.9%
    .3lb chocolate malt- 6.4%
    .25lb roasted barley- 5.3%
    .2lb caramel 150- 4.3%
    .25lb flaked oats- 5.3%
    .075lb black patent- 1.6%
    .1lb special b- 2.1%


    I think this seems more in line with the general consensus of specialty grain to base grain
     
  11. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

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  12. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I brewed an RIS in the fall that ironically I tapped last night. It was 58% base malt and 42% specialty grains (flaked oats, Munich, chocolate, C120, black, and roast barley). I went with such a high percent because I also read that CCB does this with their stouts, which I consider the standard for richness and mouthfeel in a stout. Mine tasted great, albeit not as good as Zhukov, but it certainly had a richness and thick mouthfeel I've not had on my prior imperial stouts.
     
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  13. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

    @Scope4Beer, thanks confirming something like my original recipe would work- how about this, I'll brew a gallon of each haha. I'll post here with how each turned out for anyone interested.
     
  14. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Use spring water. You need the minerals.If you were using dme, a 50/50 mix of distilled and spring would work because dme contains minerals.
     
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  15. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    OP, regarding post #12 above, Munich isn't really a specialty grain, as it can self convert, so don't get thrown off by those percentages too much.

    One last suggestion would be to vary your crystal malts a little more. C150 and special B are not very different. Personally I would switch out the special b for some c60 or 80. Or an English crystal in that lovibond range even better.
     
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  16. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Too much specialty grains can lead to an overly sweet beer due to a huge amount of non fermentables and., as others have mentioned, increased acidity. Specialty grains are like spices, for me, and one can use too much of a good thing. Special b is an excellent grain , but using over 1 lb per five gallon batch can make your beer a raisin bomb. If that is what zukof tastes like then rock on. When I use special b I use .5 lb or less per five gallons and get a nice effect.

    In the end everybody has different tastes. Have fun and let us know how it turns out.
     
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  17. InVinoVeritas

    InVinoVeritas Initiate (0) Apr 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    I find that big beers leave a lot more flavor from the base malt. Specialty grains as many others have said need to be in check. I would therefore keep the base malt at about 80% or perhaps higher.

    For your consideration:

    3.95lb marris otter- 81.3%
    .1lb chocolate malt- 2.1%
    .25lb roasted barley- 5.3%
    .2lb caramel 150 or special b (not both)- 4.3%
    .25lb flaked oats- 5.3%
    .075lb black patent- 1.6%
     
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