Dark Mild finished at 1.020?

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  1. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    I brewed a slightly modified version last Sunday the 12th of the recipe @jlordi12 put together here https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/english-dark-mild.469139/ with the help of some other esteemed forum members. The grist was as follows:
    80% Maris Otter
    6% Crystal 40
    3% Simpsons Crystal 150-165
    3% Simpsons Crystal 75-85
    3% Simpsons Chocolate
    6% Flaked Barley

    Mashed for an hour at 158. Made minor water adjustments to a calculated pH of 5.29. OG was 1.039 and my efficiency was my best ever at 78%. Pitched a rehydrated sachet of S-04 at 65 mid afternoon. By the next morning I had a thin krausen and all seemed well. By the next morning, the krausen was gone and the sides of the fermenter and surface of the beer showed no evidence that there ever was one. On Tuesday I started to increase the temp a degree a day. Thursday, I took a refractometer reading and it was 1.020. Increased the temp to 70 and swirled the fermentor. Nothing seemed to change over the weekend so I just took another refractometer reading followed by a hydrometer reading to make sure the refractometer wasn't broken and so I could get a good taste sample. Still 1.020 but it tasted fine. Not sweet. Brewcipher called for an FG of 1.011. I guess it is what it is and I'll just roll with it unless someone has an idea for a different course of action. Thoughts/comments/suggestions?
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Mashed for an hour at 158.” Mashing at that high of a temperature will yield a wort with lots of unfermentables (e.g., dextrins).

    In addition a significant portion of the grain bill is specialty malts (e.g., crystal malts,…).

    Given the above it makes sense to me that the final gravity would not be low.

    Cheers!
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    With your grain bill, mash length, mash time, yeast strain, and OG of 1.039, I get an FG prediction of 1.012 in BrewCipher. Slightly higher than what you saw in BC, maybe because you expected a slightly lower OG. Whenever you get an actual OG that's different from what you expect, you should apply the predicted attenuation % to the actual gravity...or tweak the mash efficiency parameter to get the observed OG and thus a new FG prediction.

    Having said all that, you only got about 48% apparent attenuation, which is very low, given your recipe. So low that I would first suspect that there was a gravity measurement error. But it sounds like you took multiple measurements with multiple devices. That leaves two possible issues I can think of.

    - Your mash temp may have been higher than 158F and may have caused premature unravelling of some enzymes, producing a less fermentable wort.

    - Stuck/unfinished fermentation.

    If you haven't packaged this yet, I'd recommend giving it some more time, in case the fermentation wasn't done. If you have, and particularly if you bottled, I'd proceed with caution.
     
  4. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    My targeted OG was 1.038. I ended up over volume a bit as well, so my better than usual efficiency only translated to being one point over target OG.

    I have considered both issues you brought up. For mash temp, my kettle (I BIAB) has a thermometer and I also used a handheld thermometer. I stirred the mash pretty thoroughly, and I don't believe that once it was mixed well that there were any super hot spots. How long does it take for the enzymes to denature? Will mashing in with strike water at 168 with a few pounds of grain, then stirring, then adding a few more pounds and so on, denature the enzymes in the first few pounds before the temp comes down to the desired number? Maybe that is part of my problem?

    If it's stuck, how can I unstick it? I've had the temp at 70-71 for four days now and tried rousing it. Gravity hasn't moved. My original plan was to keg this coming weekend (two weeks in the fermentor). I have no problem delaying that, but what if come this weekend I'm still at 1.020? Should I pitch more yeast? I only have us-05 on hand currently. Is it possible to take yeast from the fermentor and build a starter with it, then add back? Or is that asking for trouble with all the handling of the beer?
     
  5. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    My personal feeling is, you've tasted the beer and it's not too sweet for your taste. You're kegging, so there's no danger of bottle bombs. I would proceed to keg.
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It's always a race between conversion and enzyme denaturing. But usually conversion wins.

    A lot of people mash in this way. And although some enzymes may be sacrificed early on, those grains you're adding in the latter part of the mash-in also contain more enzymes. If your strike water was of the appropriate temperature to settle at the target mash temp, I doubt this was a problem.

    I would probably just let it go for the two weeks and if gravity hasn't budged any further, keg it like @minderbender suggested. Since it already tastes good and you're not bottling, I'd say that's a good option. i.e. I wouldn't go to great lengths to try to fix something that's not really broken.

    As an aside, I don't think I would ever worry too much about a fermentation that may not be completed after only eight days. Usually it would be, but stuff happens.
     
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  7. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    That's not beer, that's ~ 2.4% ABV colored water :slight_smile:
     
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  8. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    Yeah, a bit more sessionable than intended!
     
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