Dead Ringer update: I don't know what to do

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  1. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    So my first brew in my temp-controlled conical. Took a hydrometer sample tonight. Temps are steady enough that the cooling function never comes on. Current temp is 66.7. Bubble time intervals:

    27.06
    16.04
    24.43
    21.02
    24.39
    16.54

    Brewed on 12/31. Fermentation didn't really start until later on 1/1. I've corrected my gravity readings to be at 60F. Let me know if thats not the 'standard', but there's only a .001 difference anyway.

    12/31: OG 1074
    ??/??: 1025
    01/18: 1021

    NB's stated OG is 1064. No mention of what FG should be. My volume in the fermenter was less than 5 gallons, maybe 4.5. Next time I'm topping off with water. I know what everyone will say - "take readings over the next couple of days. if it gravity doesnt change, its done."

    Anyway, the hydrometer sample tasted great, was very cloudy, but I haven't dry hopped yet and have not done my first trub dump. I really want to move on with this beer. I've got a Blue Moon copy ready to do!

    FULL DISCLOSURE: I used a different ale yeast that the usual WLP001. I used WLP051 which is "more fruity than WLP001, and slightly more flocculent. Attenuation is lower, resulting in a fuller bodied beer than with WLP001." No mention if it's going to take longer than WLP001. I used two vials as well.

    OK, so go ahead and tell me to just sit and wait and take my gravity readings. I can take it, but dammit, it's working on 3 weeks in the fermenter. This is an ale, people! :slight_smile:
     
  2. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Take a reading in a day or two and see what it is..

    Your higher than expected OG will obviously result in a higher FG as well. Assuming extract, and you didn't make a starter, and used a less attentuative yeast strain.. I'd say you are probably done, or close to do.

    Allow it to warm to 70, and take a reading, don't both counting bubbles, doesnt mean a damn thing.

    Check it again mid week, and if it's close or the same, then dry hop it. Should be able to move it this weekend out of the fermenter.
     
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  3. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,283) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Your apparent attenuation stands at 72% ... right in the middle of WLP051's range (70 - 75%).
    If the gravity hasn't moved on the 21st ... it's ready to package.

    Why are you waiting so long to dry-hop?

    PS
    Unless you're beset by OCB ... bubble counts are meaningless.
     
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  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,533) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Your high gravity reading is likely partly due to the shortage of the amount of wort, but it doesn't look like that is the only cause, assuming your 4.5 gallon estimate is accurate. You can still add water to get to the 5 gallon mark now or when you get ready to bottle. Just be sure to mix it well without creating any splashing before you take another gravity reading or you could get a false low reading if you get much of the new water into your sample.

    I think you're at a point of taking a couple readings a few days apart to see if you're done.
     
  5. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Good enough. I thought that any bubble activity is a sign of continuing fermentation; otherwise where is the CO2 coming from?
     
  6. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,283) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Continuing fermentation is indicated by a continuing decrease in the wort's (specific) gravity. Fermentation is considered complete (or stalled) when the wort's gravity stops falling for ~72 hours (three days).

    It's not common to see a few bubbles surface when you're in the process of transferring from fermentor to bottling bucket b/c 1) some small ... yet insignificant ... measure of yo' yeast have yet to go dormant or 2) changes in temperature are causing CO2 to out-gas.
     
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  7. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    During peak fermentation some C02 will remain in solution. As the beer sits, it will gradually vent, especially if the beer increases in temperature. Many a hapless noob has wasted days and weeks of his life counting bubbles as his beer de-gassed. If the gravity isn't changing it's done fermenting.
     
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  8. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Like metioned, during fermentation, co2 is trapped into beer at lower temps. Warm it up, or move it around, and it'll cause even more to come out of solution.

    One reason why it's helpful to use a carbonation calculator and know your temps, because it assumes there's still some co2 in solution as well.
     
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  9. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Yeah, I knew there is some CO2 in solution, just because you can taste it. I would've thought that at some point some kind of equilibrium would have been reached at nothing would happen. Oh well, gravity reading tonight.
     
  10. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    The take-home lesson here is that the fermentation schedule for any beer is set by the yeast, not the brewer. RDWHAHB.
     
  11. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,085) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    you really don't want your beer to reach equilibrium before bottling or kegging.

    equilibrium means 21% oxygen and 0.04% CO2 in your beer.
    don't let your fermented beer hang around for too long after fermentation is complete without talking care of it. might bottle or keg, might transfer to a secondary with little headspace, but equilibrium is oxidized beer.
    Cheers.
     
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  12. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,533) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Far be it from me to correct @HerbMeowing, but I'm going to. (I think.)

    He probably meant to say that it's "not uncommon to see a few bubbles..."
     
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