de·cid·u·ous Drama

Discussion in 'New England' started by Jacob007, Apr 21, 2017.

  1. Jacob007

    Jacob007 Aspirant (217) Sep 18, 2012 New Hampshire
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    anybody know what's going on at deciduous, with them trying to get rid of David ?
     
  2. mschofield

    mschofield Meyvn (1,450) Oct 16, 2002 Massachusetts
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    No, but isn't that the brewery that came out of the Blue Lobster drama & breakup??
     
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  3. cincysig

    cincysig Aspirant (288) Sep 15, 2010 Connecticut
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    I know absolutely nothing about what happened at Blue Lobster and now a similar end result may be happening at Deciduous? Hmmmmm...
     
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  4. Auror

    Auror Defender (635) Jan 1, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Background:
    The brewer/partner David Sakolsky at Deciduous has been not well for a bit (in and out of the hospital over the last couple of months).

    In his words, his other partners have filed a motion to remove him from the partnership, and I assume he has not consented so it is being litigated.

    The situation undoubtedly sucks for all, but most importantly I hope he gets better.
     
  5. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Aspirant (231) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire
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    It is on his facebook page. He has been ill and in the hospital and there is some litigation in place to have him removed.

    Seems like a shitty situation. Hopfully he gets well and is fine.
     
  6. Seacoastbrewer

    Seacoastbrewer Aspirant (211) Jun 5, 2012 New Hampshire

    Damn that dude just can't win. Anyone know who is brewing there currently?
     
  7. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Zealot (506) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Wow, this dude needs to catch a break. Get well , Dave
     
  8. oldbean

    oldbean Aspirant (212) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Well, this might explain why the Deciduous I had on tap a couple weeks back was so disappointing.
     
  9. yuppiescum

    yuppiescum Initiate (23) Jun 4, 2009 Massachusetts

    Very sad, Auroral was a favorite of mine, have not been able to get back up to Newmarket recently to grab some.

    I hope the brewer gets better and they can soothe the ill will, if not I hope there is a capable Jesse Pinkman to take over for Heisenberg.
     
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  10. BigStein88

    BigStein88 Disciple (305) Nov 5, 2007 New Hampshire
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    Dave, Frank and Maryann are all good people, can't imagine this is a desirable outcome for any of them.
     
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  11. SunDevilBeer

    SunDevilBeer Zealot (521) May 9, 2003 Massachusetts

    Between this & the recent Garrison City drama - NH is the scene for some beery soap operas.
     
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  12. Rysk22

    Rysk22 Aspirant (204) Nov 12, 2014 Massachusetts
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    I find it odd that the NH beer scene seems to be so far behind the rest of it's New England neighbors from... From a quality standpoint they don't have many, if any, top-tier brewers in my book.

    What happened at Garrison City?
     
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  13. Jbrews

    Jbrews Disciple (301) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire

    Yea exactly? What did happen?

    I also agree that outside of Garrison, Stoneface and Smutty there isn't much I care to seek out from NH, and live here. But having immediate access to Maine and MA will do that to you.
     
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  14. SunDevilBeer

    SunDevilBeer Zealot (521) May 9, 2003 Massachusetts

  15. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Aspirant (231) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire
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    I like From The Barrel as well but to agree with NH being quite far behind. I will be moving to NH shortly so hopfully that changes in the coming years.
     
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  16. Jbrews

    Jbrews Disciple (301) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire

  17. Davl22

    Davl22 Disciple (364) Sep 27, 2011 New Hampshire
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    I think it starts with the state's tight grip on distribution. There's not a lot of incentive to start a brewery around here with so much state interference.
     
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  18. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (151) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I think Kelsen does the dark stuff as well as anyone in the region. Moat's Call It A Day and Tragically Hopped from Great North are sneaky good to mention a few more. NH is getting trying.
     
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  19. jhavs

    jhavs Meyvn (1,357) Apr 16, 2015 New Hampshire
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    Have you had a chance to try any of these from Great Rhythm? I think they have been putting out some nice offerings lately. I have heard their taproom is a nice spot, I haven't made it yet though.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/30185/245403/

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/30185/245404/
     
  20. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Aspirant (231) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire
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    I have only had resonation pale ale. Its pretty basic but I've heard lots of good things about other beers from them. I have been meaning to make it down to the tap room myself.
     
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  21. oldbean

    oldbean Aspirant (212) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Schilling is worth seeking out.
     
  22. jhavs

    jhavs Meyvn (1,357) Apr 16, 2015 New Hampshire
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    Yes, good brews!
     
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  23. chrisfromboston

    chrisfromboston Initiate (155) Feb 20, 2009 Massachusetts
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    I don't exactly know what happened but this is a bummer. Been a few months since I've been up there, would like to get back soon and try some of his fruited berliners. The one w/ wild blackberries and white peaches sounds great. Haven't tried the raspberry cab. barrel aged beer or the armagnac barrel aged blueberry beer either.
     
  24. meefmoff

    meefmoff Aspirant (292) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    It's unfortunate that the "Live free or Die" credo seems to begin and end with not requiring car insurance and having no state income tax.
     
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  25. papposilenus

    papposilenus Defender (640) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire
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    You missed Althea which, I think, might be the best of the new ones. I don't get out to the seacoast often but the taproom's a must-stop when I do.

    I may have it all wrong, but I think I remembering hearing that Great Rhythm got locked into a basically shitty, one-sided distribution agreement when they started out and that's why they're not shipping the new beers, because they'd actually lose money on them. For sure, they're not on the shelves out here in SW NH.
     
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  26. papposilenus

    papposilenus Defender (640) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire
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    Gah! Good luck with that. I'm an expat-masshole myself and I've been waiting nearly twenty years. There are remote corners of this godforsaken wilderness where a man can get mighty thirsty.
     
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  27. BigStein88

    BigStein88 Disciple (305) Nov 5, 2007 New Hampshire
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    I have no idea, but it seems like most of their batches are only around 60 cases as well, not a heck of a lot to send out to distro. Will be interesting to see what happens if and when they scale up.
     
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  28. Drinksonme616

    Drinksonme616 Initiate (116) Nov 30, 2016 New Hampshire

    I would try viewing imagining being a victim like Gabe Rogers or David Sakolsky. Physical or mental illness leaves are protected by law. You don't throw people away like garbage, especially when it is their dream and talent that created the establishment. I wouldn't call that a soap opera. I would call it sad, and unlawful.
     
  29. Drinksonme616

    Drinksonme616 Initiate (116) Nov 30, 2016 New Hampshire

    The funny thing is that if you actually look at the reviews from Garrison July through September you will clearly see the exact same off flavors called out and mentioned. Rate beer Beer advocate and untapped.....except more off flavors were added. Main descriptors off certain beers are Buttered Popcorn, slick mouthfeel, and Diacetyl. Yum.
     
  30. papposilenus

    papposilenus Defender (640) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire
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    Sad and awful, for sure. Unlawful remains to be seen.

    But, I suppose, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. It's hard for me to judge them; people have their lives and fortunes tied up in the business, and personalities and relationships enter into it, too, of course.

    I wish the best to all of them, for their health and livelihoods, and their souls, too.
     
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  31. papposilenus

    papposilenus Defender (640) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire
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    Last year I had smoldering wires, this year it was public lavatory hand soap.
     
  32. duchessedubourg

    duchessedubourg Aspirant (232) Nov 2, 2007 Vermont
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    Two sides to every conflict. In this case, personal side, and business side. An incapacitated brewer cannot brew beer for a business he's a partner in. A brewery cannot operate without a stable, productive brewer. All parties suffer regardless. A legal parting of ways may be necessary to insure the well-being, even survival of both parties. Contracts are binding, but can be legally renegotiated under changed circumstances. I personally am sad for both.
     
  33. Drinksonme616

    Drinksonme616 Initiate (116) Nov 30, 2016 New Hampshire

     
  34. Drinksonme616

    Drinksonme616 Initiate (116) Nov 30, 2016 New Hampshire

    Case in point. Off flavors remain and continue to be an issue
     
  35. Auror

    Auror Defender (635) Jan 1, 2010 Massachusetts
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    I don't get diacetyl in their beers. Lavatory hand soap description sounds like he doesn't like their yeast profile, which isn't necessarily an off flavor, just preference. They did switch yeasts fairly recently, so perhaps we'll know for sure soon.
     
  36. Drinksonme616

    Drinksonme616 Initiate (116) Nov 30, 2016 New Hampshire

     
  37. Drinksonme616

    Drinksonme616 Initiate (116) Nov 30, 2016 New Hampshire

    Contamination is likely if the wort or beer is exposed to musty or damp areas during fermentation. ... Soapyflavors can be caused by not washing your glass very well, but they can also be produced by the fermentation conditions. Once again more than likely brewing process. The beer is specifically fermented in a basement space.
     
  38. tavernakhione

    tavernakhione Initiate (113) Jun 28, 2015 Maine

    I stopped by this past Friday at Deciduous not knowing this story- first time visit that was very enjoyable. Tried all 6 they had. I've only had a couple of their beers so didn't have much of a base to go from. Morphology, Berliners and porter were all excellent. Hopefully what is happening behind the scenes doesn't impact the business moving forward.
     
  39. Drinksonme616

    Drinksonme616 Initiate (116) Nov 30, 2016 New Hampshire

    A very heartfelt reply. I'm sure a human being has no intentions of becoming ill or injured. This is why there are laws to protect them. FMLA and whatnot. There is also temporary disability or permanent disability. No idea about Deciduous's situation but as far as Garrison the brewer was cohearsed and not of sound mind and body to sign away his 50% share of ownership. That makes the contract illegal and unenforceable. While a head brewer is sick, an assistant brewers can do their job, Or temporary assistance can be sought after.

     
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  40. kgoyette

    kgoyette Initiate (136) Feb 13, 2011 Massachusetts
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    Does anyone know the current status at Deciduous. I see they just did their first can release, is David involved at all?
     
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