Developing a Palate for Malty Beers?

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  1. JesseMurdock

    JesseMurdock Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2013 Hawaii

    I am pretty new to the BA world, only been into craft beer for about 4-5 months, so I had a question that I was hoping some more experiences BAs could help me with. Before getting into craft, i thought IPAs and hoppier beers in general were awful. However, I quickly grew to appreciate them. I have grown to like a number of different beer styles, but I find that a lot of the sweeter, maltier beers do not agree with my palate, namely brown ales, scotch ales, doppelbocks, etc. While everyone talks about developing a palate for hoppier beers, does developing an appreciation for maltier beers also take time? Or are these styles probably styles I will rarely appreciate?
     
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  2. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Don't try anything 'too high' gravity to start. When Oktoberfest time comes around maybe start with a few of those. Some great ones are Ayinger or Hacker-Pschorr, with a rich malt character and enough balance from the hops. Don't try American ones- they are generally too caramelly and cloying, and the balance is way off- they definitely won't ease you into appreciating malty beers.

    Maybe also some Munich Dunkels, depending on what you can get in Hawaii (Ayinger, again, has a great one.).
     
  3. sacrelicio

    sacrelicio Pooh-Bah (1,838) Feb 15, 2005 Minnesota
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    I didn't like malty beers for a long time, I thought they were too sweet and syrupy. I'd start by trying things in small doses, like a sampler flight at a bar. That way you get the taste without being overwhelmed. I'd give the same advice to someone trying to get into hoppy beers, or sours, or any flavor that they aren't used to.
     
  4. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I think it does, absolutely, refine over time, just like with IPAs. That said, I agree with the above: start small. A good Oktoberfest brew, maybe a Belgian Pale Ale, bocks, et al. Even a Tripel (especially since you like hops). Get something smooth but not overly malty, but that focuses on the same type of stuff. You can go from a Belgian Pale to a Dubbel or Quad fairly quickly (in my opinion).
     
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  5. JimKal

    JimKal Savant (1,213) Jul 31, 2011 North Carolina

    While I do prefer IPAs as my favorite style, I tend to be more seasonal with some of the other styles. this summer I've been enjoying some different wheat beers and wits. With fall, I do like some of the Octoberfests. Despite what some have said, I do think you can find some good American craft versions. I enjoyed both the one from Sam Adams and the one from Victory. Also during fall and winter, I really enjoyed Brooklyn Brown, a nice hoppy brown.
     
  6. Chinon01

    Chinon01 Initiate (0) Jan 23, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Turn off your brain (initially). Just enjoy the yummy sweetness like you would a piece of pie. Over time you'll discover the depth and complexity of a Scotch ale or doppelbock. And the booze kick. Damn.
     
  7. Cvescalante

    Cvescalante Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2012 Texas

    Saying "yummy" and "damn" in the same post is unacceptable! Haha...
    Not bad advice at all though. I definitely agree that you have to get over what you think a beer should be, and enjoy it for what it is, and those flavors that you already love will come out.
     
  8. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Malty is to sweet as hoppy is to bitter.

    Learn to differentiate.
     
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  9. JesseMurdock

    JesseMurdock Initiate (0) Apr 14, 2013 Hawaii

    @TongoRad, i actually tried an Ayinger Dunkel a few weeks ago and enjoyed it. Thanks for the tip on Oktoberfest beers, I'll definitely keep an eye out for any that make there way out to Hawaii.

    @Roguer, I actually like a lot of the sweeter Belgian offerings I've had. I think the yeasty flavors help to prevent the syrupy, sweet flavors in a scotch ale or doppelbock.
     
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  10. MADhombrewer

    MADhombrewer Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2008 Oregon

    +1 to this.

    While it is easy for me to find a good Porter or Stout, I have a had a hard time getting into these styles as well. I am now of the mind frame they they may just not be for me. Oh well.
     
  11. geocool

    geocool Savant (1,233) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    America isn't overflowing with excellent examples of the malty styles like it is with IPA's and Pale Ales. Also, freshness is a big factor. German imports, for example, are almost never fresh. I think Belgian imports (Dubbels, Tripels) might be the best place to start.
     
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  12. Thads324

    Thads324 Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2010 Connecticut

    I go in waves with this. Right now I'm on a malt kick. Been drinking lots of Scottish ales, stouts and porters lately. Just had a very nice Edmund fitz.
    In a few weeks, I'll have nothing but hoppy beer to drink.
    I think mixing it up and like tongorad said staying in lower abv territory is a good idea. Have a single ipa, then try something easy going yet malty. Slowly work your way up to the bigger stuff. It'll come with time.

    Also, hit up some Beerfests. They are a perfect way to discover new styles and or new brands that appeal to you
     
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  13. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    You'll need to find that gateway malty beer. With anything, it's difficult to start at extremes...you've got to ease yourself into it. Where that threshold is, you'll have to discover for yourself.

    Sounds like fun.
     
  14. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    I'm a seasonal drinker, so tend to avoid malty beers when it's warm out, but as soon as that first autumn wind blows I find maltiness becomes the the thing I desire. So for me it would make perfect sense to not find the appeal of a brown ale or. Doppelbock in July.
     
  15. Hopinista

    Hopinista Initiate (0) Mar 11, 2013 Nevada

    You can try, but it doesn't always happen. I've been open to trying malt-heavy beers for years now, and I still don't have a single malt-heavy beer I go back to on a regular basis. Except a six pack of SN Tumbler once a year.
     
  16. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    I greatly enjoy malty beers. When you are drinking any beer, make sure that initially,
    you get a good nose( aroma). Some beer reviewers put their nose close to the glass
    and cover the glass to appreciate the aroma. The aroma may have some maltiness to it,
    depending on the beer. Also, be sure to think about the mouth feel, then the taste,and the finish, which
    will further enhance your appreciation for the beer, especially if it is malty.

    I read somewhere recently that aroma contributes far more to the flavor. You
    can more fully enjoy the taste profile, including its malty character of the beer via its aroma.
     
  17. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I think some of the best malty beers are the simplest ones. You don't have to begin with the big guys like scotch ales and doppelbocks.
    Look to some Amber/Red ales that have been around since the late 90's/early 2000's. That's back before everything got a zillion IBU's by default. Those beers tend to be sweeter and maltier without being super strong or cloying either.
     
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  18. LMT

    LMT Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2009 Virginia

    I just read "Gulp" by Mary Roach and she explained this concept. When you take food or drink in, the aroma from it travels through the back of your throat and then up to the nasal cavity. The aroma activates olfactory receptors at the same time taste receptors in the mouth are stimulated. However, the brain does not weight these inputs equally when determining flavor.

    If I remember correctly it's something like 70% of an item's perceived "flavor" is actually due to aroma.
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “I find that a lot of the sweeter, maltier beers do not agree with my palate, namely brown ales, scotch ales, doppelbocks, etc.”

    A number of folks think that sweet= malty. I view sweet and malty as being two different qualities. Malty to me can mean flavors like bready, toasty, cracker like, pilsner malt like, etc. A beer can have the qualities of sweet and malty at the same time. Beer styles that reflect sweet and malty are Eisbock, Doppelbock, Scotch Ale. Beers that are more malty than sweet are Stouts, Porters, Oktoberfest. It is my guess that you would prefer the beer styles that accentuate malt vs. the sweet aspect.

    Here is a figure that may be of help to you:

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  20. Blueribbon666

    Blueribbon666 Pooh-Bah (1,669) Jul 4, 2008 Ohio
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    I've always leaned towards the malty, darker styles...I really had to develop a palate for IPAs & hoppy beers, which I've definitely come around in the last few years just from the constant trial & error of buying & trying single beers via mixed sixers...
     
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