Devolved Homebrewing (extract, partial boil)

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  1. jvande7

    jvande7 Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2006 California

    After many years of "research" I started homebrewing one year ago this month. Over the past year I brewed a lot, and did everything from extract to all-grain, amber ales, browns, stouts, hazy NEIPAs, a habanero red ale and even a redwood brown porter that used fresh new-growth redwood tree trimmings for bittering and aroma instead of hops. All of them turned out great and were consumed quickly with very few complaints.

    My rig is an 8.5 gallon kettle and a Hellfire propane burner. I use an immersion chiller (with a pre-chiller in Summer months), and I ferment inside 6.5 gallon plastic fermenters. I have never bottled. I built a kegerator that holds two corny kegs and a 5lb CO2 cylinder.

    OK, during the past year I was constantly looking to upgrade and make things more complicated. Going from extract to all-grain, adding a pre-chiller to speed up the process, etc. But I've finally reached the point where I want to spend less money on equipment, and spend less time brewing.

    I've always done 5 gallon full volume boil batches, but this weekend I'll be brewing 10 gallons of stout (American style, 6% abv) using my 8.5 gallon kettle and two 6.5 gallon fermenters. I'll be using malt extract to save time. Folks seem to talk down on partial-volume boils and extract brewing in general, and I understand it to some degree. When I brew my hazy NEIPA batches I always go all-grain, full volume.

    SO NOW, MY QUESTION..

    Does it really matter that much if I'm just brewing a dark non-hoppy beer? Partial volume boil is reported to have less hop utilization, and create darker beer. Those two things really don't bother me in this application (stout porter).

    Any thoughts? Warnings? Advice?
     
  2. jvande7

    jvande7 Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2006 California

    This was meant to be a nod towards back-to-basics brewing. I did a poor job of framing it.

    I was just trying to convey that I can handle advanced brewing, and ask if it's wrong for me to want to simplify things in situations where it seems like it doesn't matter.
     
  3. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I've never brewed all-grain to have a first hand comparison of the two methods, so I may be speaking wrongly out of the side of my mouth, but I've read so many posts in this forum to have a feel for the all-grain process. I think the only control factor that you'll give up when brewing with extract is the temp of the mash that might give you extra sweetness and mouth-feel. There are ways to get back those attributes when using extract, and maybe your recipe will give you that ability with specialty grains. I'd say go for it and brew however you want. I think the beer is going to be good, but you're the one to decide that.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You are the only person that truly "matters" here. Brew your extract/partial boil beer and decide for yourself how the resulting beer tastes.

    As you already made mention "Folks seem to talk down on partial-volume boils and extract brewing in general,...", and that could be for a myriad of reasons with one potential reason being a bias against extract brewing. Since the only palate that really 'counts' here is your palate you should brew and decide for yourself.
    There has been some studies by Basic Brewing Radio/BYO on the topic of "less hop utilization" and the empirical evidence of that study did not indicate a lessening of hop utilization via partial boil. You can produce light colored extract beers via judicious selection of light colored malt extract (e.g., Briess Pilsen malt extract) and by adding a portion of the malt extract later in the boil (e.g., the last 20 minutes of boil).
    You are the head brewer of your homebrewery and you get to decide how you want to brew. What you decide to do is "right" for your homebrewery.

    Perhaps it is time once again for my 'old saying': brew the beers you like and brew them the way you like.

    Best of luck with your 10 gallon batch of Stout.

    Cheers!
     
  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    This might sound dickish, but if you want those things, you should just quit brewing and buy beer from the store.

    Part of brewing is spending the time to do so, just as a big part of brewing is cleaning. I don't know anyone who thinks that the most fulfilling part of brewing beer is the act of doing so. People like coming up with a recipe and drinking their end product. Most people aren't in love with all the stuff in between, BUT those things are the only way to get from your recipe to your actual beer and to have those things be genuinely yours.

    My advice to you is to try to see each process that you have as integral to making the best beer that you can. If that's not motivation to using the best ingredients and techniques available to you, I can't help you, man.
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    There are some (mostly quality-related) advantages to all grain brewing and a couple of advantages to extract. Here's how I'd break it down:

    All Grain Advantages

    Freshness (lack of oxidation)
    Ability to produce lightest colored beers
    Control over fermentability of wort
    Much wider availability of grain types
    Control over water profile
    Cost

    Extract Advantages
    Time
    Easier process

    If I were to do an extract batch, I'd do a full boil if possible, and I'd use Dry (definitely not Liquid) Malt Extract.
     
  7. jvande7

    jvande7 Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2006 California

    That's a very shortsighted response.
    It doesn't have to be all or nothing, bud. There is a middle ground there.

    As others in this thread have thankfully highlighted, this process/hobby is very personal. Someone who is retired may have more time to devote. Someone who is a professional brewer would obviously be devoting a lot of time. But someone who gets one or two days off each week from their normal job and various other responsibilities.. why is it that they don't deserve to experience homebrewing? Why is it that they should go buy a six pack and drink it in shame?

    When I have an idea for a recipe, I get stoked and I go all out. This summer I jumped on the haze craze and brewed numerous all-grain 5 gallon batches of NEIPA. Multiple rounds of dry-hopping. Plenty of work, but enjoyable in many ways and the finished product was superb.

    But my house brew is my Petunia Stout, and I'm constantly running out before the next batch is ready. So I'm going back to basics in an attempt to keep my house homebrew flowing by brewing 10 gallon batches instead of 5, and by not spending a thousand dollars on a larger kettle and chiller, etc.

    Thanks for your opinion. Unfortunately it's not very good. Cheers!
     
  8. jvande7

    jvande7 Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2006 California

    Thanks for that. Most of the advantages you listed for all-grain do not apply to the stout I'm brewing. I've brewed the recipe both ways many times (all-grain and extract), and there is little no difference in the outcome. The big thing I've never tried is a partial volume boil, so that's what worries me about this 10 gallon stout experiment. I just don't want to waste the time/money if the beer is going to be horrible. But all signs seem to say that, in this context, the beer will be just fine.
     
  9. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    I totally get the OP’s point. To me there is a balance: with too much info and meticulousness, the fun goes down. I can easily see myself moving back to partial mashes in the future.

    Some guys get their jollies by becoming beer scientists to the n’th degree. That’s just not me.

    Extract brews can turn out a little syrupy, in my experience. And they’re a little more expensive. If you can deal with both of those, then go for it!
     
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  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Nobody said that there wasn't. You're the one who said, "I want to spend less time brewing".

    If saving time or money is the reason that you're brewing beer, you should reconsider your choice of hobby.

    Thanks for the evaluation of my response. You'll get a whole variety of responses when you ask a question that isn't really a question.
     
  11. jvande7

    jvande7 Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2006 California

    Thanks! Agreed on both points.

    I will continue to brew all-grain, and I do enjoy nerding out on things sometimes. But I'm hoping that this house-stout maintenance brewing, that is definitely starting to become a chore, can be made more manageable with this little shortcut.

    Extract brews are definitely a bit syrupy in my experience too. That's why I usually go all-grain if I'm trying to brew a dry beer. But beer can also be made more dry with the right kind of yeast and conditions.

    Anyhow, thanks for the encouragement :slight_smile:
     
  12. jvande7

    jvande7 Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2006 California

    How would brewing beer save time over walking to the liquor store? No one would ever think that. And nowhere in my post did I say I was trying to save money over buying beer by brewing my own.
    It's a completely legit concern to not want to spend hundreds/thousands to unnecessarily upgrade one's equipment. And that's the only money concern I've expressed here.
     
  13. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Obviously I'm giving you a hard time. Of course your partial-volume boil idea would work, but if you did the "research" that you said that you did, you'd already know that.

    My issue with questions like yours is that they sound more like "Homebrew **** Forum" posts and less like actual questions. Could be that I'm not reading it right and maybe I'm being just being douche-y. I'm just not crazy about people complaining how much time or money their hobby costs them. If you don't like either of those things, stop doing it.
     
  14. jvande7

    jvande7 Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2006 California

    I kinda get what you're saying, and if you read post #2 in the thread you'll see me admit to my poor framing. I was trying to give pertinent background info before asking the question in order to save folks time.

    But reading this back, these definitely do sound like actual honest to goodness questions..
    "Does it really matter that much if I'm just brewing a dark non-hoppy beer? Partial volume boil is reported to have less hop utilization, and create darker beer. Those two things really don't bother me in this application (stout porter).

    Any thoughts? Warnings? Advice?"
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yup, you did indeed ask questions. I hope that my responses to your questions was helpful.

    Again, best of luck with your 10 gallon batch of stout.

    Please report back your impressions on this batch of beer.

    Cheers!
     
  16. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Totally off subject, but if you're running a prechiller immersed in ice water I found it more effective to pump ice water through my IC.
     
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  17. jvande7

    jvande7 Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2006 California

    Hey, so the beer turned out great. No noticeable difference between the 5 and 10 gallon batches. Thanks again, all!
     
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